A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

Let’s say half a %. He’s way under that. But again, it’s why I also asked about motivations. So far Bill Gates is an evil dude because he owns 0.3% of farmland for some reason you haven’t provided. Is there anything else about him that is evil other than that and microchips in vaccines?

I never called him evil, my comments were:

"How dare you, Gates has been buying up land all over the US for philanthropic reasons, he just wants to help the world, the insinutation that he financially benefits from things like his charity... shame on you!"

And

"Predatory capitolistic practices'

Its not my fault you went full 'but muh billionaires' lol. If you would just take a moment and digest whats being said, we wouldnt end up in these petty squabbles where you find yourself defending arguments you want people to have, you could just agree that predatory practices from billionaires is bad. Amazes me that that isnt just a unifying statement, but we know, if i said that about Musks space ventures, or X, or Murdochs media youd be on board wouldnt you you little scamp?

Your more a 'love those who say things i like' kind of person, theres a word for that

 

[Welsh Exile]

I never called him evil, my comments were:

"How dare you, Gates has been buying up land all over the US for philanthropic reasons, he just wants to help the world, the insinutation that he financially benefits from things like his charity... shame on you!"

And

"Predatory capitolistic practices'

Its not my fault you went full 'but muh billionaires' lol. If you would just take a moment and digest whats being said, we wouldnt end up in these petty squabbles where you find yourself defending arguments you want people to have, you could just agree that predatory practices from billionaires is bad. Amazes me that that isnt just a unifying statement, but we know, if i said that about Musks space ventures, or X, or Murdochs media youd be on board wouldnt you you little scamp?

Your more a 'love those who say things i like' kind of person, theres a word for that

You also said, in response to what makes him a bad guy:

Becoming the largest farm land owner on the USA, im not anti billionaore, im anti predatory capitolistic practices...

You seemingly trust bad people who say things you agree with, im anti allowing individuals too much power.

 

[dirty harry]

You also said, in response to what makes him a bad guy:

Becoming the largest farm land owner on the USA, im not anti billionaore, im anti predatory capitolistic practices...

You seemingly trust bad people who say things you agree with, im anti allowing individuals too much power.

Thank you for backing up my point, could you adress it now.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Thank you for backing up my point, could you adress it now.

So he’s a bad guy cuz he owns land. And microchips in vaccines obviously. That’s your point?

 

[Reiser99]

Labour hold Greater Manchester

No majority so went to 2nd favourites
1st round:
Labour 46.68%
Reform: 20.78%
Green: 12.06%
Restore: 8.59%
Conservatives: 7.62%
Lib Dems: 2.73%

2nd round:
Labour: 66.32%
Reform: 33.68%

Reform more than doubled their number of votes whereas Labour almost halved theirs - shame it was such a low turnout, think it'd be interesting to see where the voters migrated to, other than the couch
Conservatives dropped 20k and last time round the independent candidate got > 50k, whereas this years independent got < 3k
Looking at last times independent (Nick Buckley) I imagine a number of his voters will have gone to reform (he used to be reform before going more extreme)

Just shows how popular Burham is but also pretty close to no 2nd round. That however shows most of Reform is them plus Restore plus a ton amount of Tories. Tories would rather have no second vote.

So kinda shows where the coubtry is majority good meaning folk. 1/3 maddening.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g4djygr73o

This gives a more accurate picture. Yes Reform have improved since last election, but actually lost support since the local elections.

Definitely suggests 33% of the area are roughly right wing and 66% are centre/left. However, hard to say if that would be reflected nationally.

 

[dirty harry]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g4djygr73o

This gives a more accurate picture. Yes Reform have improved since last election, but actually lost support since the local elections.

Definitely suggests 33% of the area are roughly right wing and 66% are centre/left. However, hard to say if that would be reflected nationally.

Agree with all this except i would add 33% were centre/right, 66% were centre/left OF the 25% who bothered...

 

[Tomma235]

Interestingly Italy have suspended Schengen free movement agreement with Spain... usually this is coordinated and done for terror threats, sporting events etc... the last time i remember this being done for migration was Denmark putting a hard border with Germany after Merkels million

It is but you have to factor in Meloni. She's been on her best behaviour for a while now, and I quite like her, but she has a far right party to keep onside.

 

[dirty harry]

It is but you have to factor in Meloni. She's been on her best behaviour for a while now, and I quite like her, but she has a far right party to keep onside.

Im not sure thats fair, France, Portugal, Italy, Czech, Denmark and others have all agreed with it, im not sure its just Meloni

 

[Tomma235]

Im not sure thats fair, France, Portugal, Italy, Czech, Denmark and others have all agreed with it, im not sure its just Meloni

They haven't suspended the agreement yet.

 

[dirty harry]

They haven't suspended the agreement yet.

But they agreed with Italy, infact Czech wanted Spain Schengen rights suspended totally

 

[Tomma235]

But they agreed with Italy, infact Czech wanted Spain Schengen rights suspended totally

You know there's a difference between agreeing and doing. Italy is the only country to have suspended the Schengen border agreement. The others are doing the right thing and convening an EU meeting

 

[dirty harry]

You know there's a difference between agreeing and doing. Italy is the only country to have suspended the Schengen border agreement. The others are doing the right thing and convening an EU meeting

No the others are preparing, france and Portugal sent more boots to the borders, Denmark and co have set up checkpoint borders in preperation, and Czech leaders have petitioned the EU to suspend Spains Schengen rights...

If these countries were just convening an EU meeting why would Spain be criticisising them and calling it demogouery?

 

[dirty harry]

You know there's a difference between agreeing and doing. Italy is the only country to have suspended the Schengen border agreement. The others are doing the right thing and convening an EU meeting

Hello? Are you umhappy you were wrong?

 

[BathBod]

I'm intrigued to see how efficiently our Bok buddies are "cleaning out" their illegals - lessons to learn here and across the EU I'm sure. BBC report on link below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgj2prd4p8o

 

[Tomma235]

I'm intrigued to see how efficiently our Bok buddies are "cleaning out" their illegals - lessons to learn here and across the EU I'm sure. BBC report on link below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgj2prd4p8o

SA does many things "efficiently", I'm not entirely sure we want to learn from them.

 

[dirty harry]

I'm intrigued to see how efficiently our Bok buddies are "cleaning out" their illegals - lessons to learn here and across the EU I'm sure. BBC report on link below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgj2prd4p8o

Theyre not exactly being soft about it, videos and reports have been emerging for ages, people kicked out of hospitals, refused service etc...

 

[Reiser99]

I'm intrigued to see how efficiently our Bok buddies are "cleaning out" their illegals - lessons to learn here and across the EU I'm sure. BBC report on link below.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgj2prd4p8o

You know, it always gives me a good idea of how much a person values human life when they use phrases like "cleaning out" in reference to other humans.

 

[BathBod]

Reiser
You fiddle your definitions as you wish.
Illegal iimmigrants are being moved back to where they came from, much to the gratiification of the indigenous majority.
Please clarify what the problem is with this?
It's got **** all to do with "values human life" and everything to do with respecting the laws of the land.

Is the latter not the most important for cohesion and mutual society happiness?

You want to indulge the criminals then have them round at your gaff - don't push them onto the law abiding locals.

Looking forward to your contribution - how many illegals can you accomodate?

 

[Tomma235]

Reiser
You fiddle your definitions as you wish.
Illegal iimmigrants are being moved back to where they came from, much to the gratiification of the indigenous majority.
Please clarify what the problem is with this?
It's got **** all to do with "values human life" and everything to do with respecting the laws of the land.

Is the latter not the most important for cohesion and mutual society happiness?

You want to indulge the criminals then have them round at your gaff - don't push them onto the law abiding locals.

Looking forward to your contribution - how many illegals can you accomodate?

South African efficiency tends to be at the wrong end of a gun. In the UK we police by consent. Now I'm sure you'd like to change that until you're at the wrong end of a gun with no appeal.

 

[BathBod]

Tomma
Why "Wrong end of a gun"?
It's got absolutely nothing to do with Policing and everything to enforcing the integrity of the border which should be a military enforcement task.
Where and when did UK citizens consent to 1000s of illegals entering the UK, and financed to do so by sucessive Governments? Which manfesto was this detailed in?
We used guns pretty effectively to keep our borders safe between 1939-45. I'd argue that a good majority in the UK would like to see the same vigour applied to border security and border enforcement in the UK these days.
It'd make an interesting survey don't you think?
What's the objection?

 

[Tomma235]

Tomma
Why "Wrong end of a gun"?
It's got absolutely nothing to do with Policing and everything to enforcing the integrity of the border which should be a military enforcement task.
Where and when did UK citizens consent to 1000s of illegals entering the UK, and financed to do so by sucessive Governments? Which manfesto was this detailed in?
We used guns pretty effectively to keep our borders safe between 1939-45. I'd argue that a good majority in the UK would like to see the same vigour applied to border security and border enforcement in the UK these days.
It'd make an interesting survey don't you think?
What's the objection?

So you want to kill people who have done nothing more than try to find themselves a better life?
I'm on a roll this week.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

So you want to kill people who have done nothing more than try to find themselves a better life?
I'm on a roll this week.

Don't bother with bathbod, the guy is a complete nutcase

 

[Reiser99]

Reiser
You fiddle your definitions as you wish.
Illegal iimmigrants are being moved back to where they came from, much to the gratiification of the indigenous majority.
Please clarify what the problem is with this?
It's got **** all to do with "values human life" and everything to do with respecting the laws of the land.

Is the latter not the most important for cohesion and mutual society happiness?

You want to indulge the criminals then have them round at your gaff - don't push them onto the law abiding locals.

Looking forward to your contribution - how many illegals can you accomodate?

Good to know that respecting the laws of the land doesn't mean valuing human life. That says a lot about the law and the country when it doesn't take into account valuing human life. There are many countries that have been like that throughout the years, see if you can name some.

As for your next point, is following the law most important for cohesion and societal happiness? Well that's incredibly subjective and probably dependent on the law. The Apartheid was legal in South Africa (hint, that's one of the countries you're supposed to guess above) and that seemed great for cohesion and societal happiness.

As for indulging criminals, I'm sure you've never broken the law in anyway? Never gone over the speed limit? You seem to define illegal immigrants as biggest threat to society. That's your opinion. Treating them like humans doesn't mean indulging them. It doesn't mean you don't deport them if that's the law. It means treating them with dignity, the way you would want to be. But hey, let's try your method and round them up at gun point with protesters threatening to lynch them. I'm sure that will fix the UK in an instant.

 

[Tomma235]

Don't bother with bathbod, the guy is a complete nutcase

I'm not. I've decided life is too short hence my comment of being on a roll

 

[BathBod]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ects-calls-to-follow-spains-migrant-pushback/

I bet this is a vote winner with the majority.

You may live in one of your entitled bubbledwellers safe spaces.

The majority live a very different life to those of you who find my points of view difficult to consider or even debate.

You've lost the argument other than with your increasingly diminishing LibDem back slappers.

Come back to me for a debate when you're more conversant with the viewpoints of the majority of UK voters eh?

 

[Reiser99]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ects-calls-to-follow-spains-migrant-pushback/

I bet this is a vote winner with the majority.

You may live in one of your entitled bubbledwellers safe spaces.

The majority live a very different life to those of you who find my points of view difficult to consider or even debate.

You've lost the argument other than with your increasingly diminishing LibDem back slappers.

Come back to me for a debate when you're more conversant with the viewpoints of the majority of UK voters eh?

Wooo majority is always right. Glad to see you're able to justify Nazi Germany too.

 

[BathBod]

Wooo majority is always right. Glad to see you're able to justify Nazi Germany too.

Did you ever read any book about Modern European History 1900-1965?
Please illustrate where Hitler gained his position as Chancellor of Germany with a majority vote.
The younger 25-40 yr uneducated are a consistently dangerous constituency, albeit very diminished in numbers and intellect going forward.
My experience of the 14-25 year olds these days is they've had a bellyfull of LibLabCon lies that do not deliver a valid future pathway, and, certainly in your case, don't deliver an understanding of recent history.

Read up Reiser and report back when you can.