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Pathetic protests today by whiny cowards.

Defacing a war memorial is despicable but doing today is disgusting.

Going on about a PR vote would have meant UKIP would be the biggest player anyway.

Some people need to grow up. Thinking there the miners against Thatcher or something.
 
I can understand protesting the tories - but don't touch the war memorials or VE Day commemorations.
They're more than a political pary - they're to do with young men giving their lives for their country.
 
I can understand protesting the tories - but don't touch the war memorials or VE Day commemorations.
They're more than a political pary - they're to do with young men giving their lives for their country.

Good job they didnt bump into the 80,000 coming back from the AvN game in various stages of drunkeness. Would not have been a pretty meeting.
 
Pathetic protests today by whiny cowards.

Defacing a war memorial is despicable but doing today is disgusting.

Going on about a PR vote would have meant UKIP would be the biggest player anyway.

Some people need to grow up. Thinking there the miners against Thatcher or something.

I agree and especially about the deeply felt hatred of things that happened years ago!!!

You would expect the fair minded British people to look at what is good for their country at election time and not merely vote because "my father and his father before him always voted" Labour/Tories or whatever!!

As for Thatcher hatred She was in power 30 years ago and all about the poll tax forgetting the so many good things she did that made the Country better now than it would have been! What a victory this hatred is for spurious lies and propaganda!
 
I'm all up for peaceful protests. Although I do wonder where all these fair votes now people were during the AV referendum. Whether you agreed on the system or not if you wanted record voting no effectively stopped that...

However some are claiming the violence happened when riot police showed up which is no bloody excuse. Just a bunch of numpties thinking they are now entitled to break the law. Protesting the government is one thing rioting is another.

They'd be far better off trying to fight from within a political party and peaceful protest. The earlier many people are doing.
 
I am no great fan of Prescott ( can you imagine him being your waiter on a cruise?) but according to the Telegraph today he has lambasted Millipede with the following comments:

"The Tories and Lib Dems worked tirelessly to sow the seeds of a myth which grew into a publicly accepted 'fact'. As President Clinton said 'It's the economy stupid'. And we were stupid not to defend it! The global recession was caused by the greed of bankers and only Gordon Brown's rescue plan saved the banks and our economy from total global collapse. I said to both Eds, both personally and in the Parliamentary Labour Party, that it was vital we nailed these Tory lies. But I was told 'We want to focus on the future, John, not the past'. I warned them if we didn't defend the past we wouldn't have a future. This General Election has depressingly proved that."

Classic rubbish in the sense that he is trying to justify Brown's huge deficit was not caused by their overspending and that they had an economic record to defend rather than apologise for. However, he does have a point that Brown did play a huge part in rescuing world financial instituions, not just banks, with his conference of world finance leaders.

Brown should be rightly shamed for the over spending and huge deficit but should also be praised for the conference and will be both by history!!
 
Lib Dems confirming that nominations for new leader open in three days and will be elected by July 16th. Greg Mulholland pointing that the Lib Dems need a "tuition fee rebel" as leader. Tim Farron confirms he wants to play a "big part" in what happens to the Lib Dems now. So looks overwhelmingly likely that Farron will be the next leader.

Mulholland and Pugh already pointing to the mistakes made by the Lib Dems previous administration. Looks like there's going to be a fairly distinct shift in the balance of power in the party.

More blaming of the Lib Dems positioning itself to the right from within the party: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...sh-over-serious-mistakes-in-election-strategy
 
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Lib Dems confirming that nominations for new leader open in three days and will be elected by July 16th. Greg Mulholland pointing that the Lib Dems need a "tuition fee rebel" as leader. Tim Farron confirms he wants to play a "big part" in what happens to the Lib Dems now. So looks overwhelmingly likely that Farron will be the next leader.

Mulholland and Pugh already pointing to the mistakes made by the Lib Dems previous administration. Looks like there's going to be a fairly distinct shift in the balance of power in the party.

More blaming of the Lib Dems positioning itself to the right from within the party: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...sh-over-serious-mistakes-in-election-strategy

They go further left and they are dead! RIP
 
I thought the 6 weeks leading up to the election campaign was dull. I thought regardless of what Ed Miliband did, I had already made up my mind that he offered very little and was certainly not PM material; Clegg was a irrelevant ever since he went back on his word on tuition fees and he had taken the a Centre Left party to the centre right, just to get into power. However, 10pm 7 May is when it just kicked off - talk about exciting events unfolding and the ensuing bloodbath as Lib Dem and Labour MPs fell. More exciting than the Mayweather - Pacman fight.

My favourite moment of the evening was Paddy Ashdown dismissing the exit poll out of hand that the Lib Dems would only get 10 seats, and that he would eat his hat if it turned out to be true; if only Paddy, they only got 8.:D They should have made him eat a proper hat, then present him with a cake version.:mad:

SNP wiping out Labour in Scotland was not surprising. Can any Scot explain how SNP would prefer Scotland to secede from the Union because they don't want Westminster to dictate to them, but that they are fine with an independent Scotland being part of the EU and being dictated to by Brussels instead? :huh:
 
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Not a great day for democracy as Jim Murphy forced into resignation of the Scottish Labour Party by the unions who:

1 did not want him in the first place and refused to back him despite his only being elected 6 months ago.

2. Control all but 80 of the Labour MPs in Parliament through "donations"

3. Have Massive voting power in the election of the successor to Millipede.

They could easily make the Labour Party unelectable for a long time and that is not good! Do not want them but they need to be electable!!

When will they realize that the working class of years gone by (who were their bread and butter) are now mainly "middle class" leaving immigrant labour to do the jobs of the so called working class?!
 
Aye, it pees me off. In fairness, Labour in Scotland were dismal, but then Labour everywhere were dismal more or less, what are they expecting from a guy who's only got six months and is working with his hands tied behind his back? It's not about Murphy failing, it's about the Trade Unions wanting their man regardless of the democratic process.

I get an uneasy feeling that Labour are going to rip themselves apart between those who believe Labour lost because they couldn't mobilise their left wing voters and those who believe Labour lost because they couldn't attract floating centrists, ignoring the fact that they failed because of both of these things and the reason they failed to do so is the party simply didn't have enough politicians who could make people in their competence and vision. If they start defenestrating their talent in an idealogical bloodbath, the Tories will be crying with laughter.
 
Lib Dems confirming that nominations for new leader open in three days and will be elected by July 16th. Greg Mulholland pointing that the Lib Dems need a "tuition fee rebel" as leader. Tim Farron confirms he wants to play a "big part" in what happens to the Lib Dems now. So looks overwhelmingly likely that Farron will be the next leader.

Mulholland and Pugh already pointing to the mistakes made by the Lib Dems previous administration. Looks like there's going to be a fairly distinct shift in the balance of power in the party.

More blaming of the Lib Dems positioning itself to the right from within the party: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...sh-over-serious-mistakes-in-election-strategy

Lib Dems are an irrelavance now, UKIP will become Englands third party
 
It will take both Libs and UKIP years, if ever, for either to outnumber the SNP!!

Indeed, once the EU referendum issue is resolved, one way or another, UKIP will fade away if not before!!!
 
Ain't PR great!!! Believe it when Lib membership figures have been independently audited!!

As for SNP... I did not say that and most people would not have said it either!!
 
UKIP aren't England's third biggest party in the House and, in any case, third biggest party in England is very much a case of the tallest midget.

Yeah they said that about the SNP after the independence vote....

Who on earth said that?
 
SNP killed any chances of Labour getting in. Happy for Scotland, but it's not good news for the UK Imo. Could take a long, long time for Labour to recover from this, so we could be in line for many a year of tory governments.

I just hope they don't go nuts with the cuts to public sectors. We need the NHS to improve, cuts won't make that happen. Same for many other sectors.

Slightly depressed this morning. I voted Plaid btw.

Clearly not a genius at arithmetic then.

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Great result for the UK (except for Scotland of course) and the best chance of the recovery being maintaned which will bring prosperity to the working people of Britain and lighten the burden of the defict on the shoulders of the next and the next generation after that which would have been increased by the spend, spend, spend attitude of the Left.

Glad to see Balls and Millipede gone.....they were opportunists of the first order and the face and soul of the old unelectable Labour party financed by the Unions (who got Millipede elected as Leader) and one can only hope that they pick a strong forward looking centre ground leader for the future of their party which is necessary for the UK who need a better opposition party esepcially as they will inevitably become a government at some stage be it the next election or maybe the one after!

I would much have preferred that the two parties were forced to work together in Government for the people rather than for themselves but reckon that may be a step too far!!!

The SNP have been elected en masse and there is little doubt that the rabble rousers and thugs they attract were partly responsible for this but reality is that the Scots, many of whom hate the English to the extent that all rationality is submerged by the lies and subterfuge, espoused by the SNP so forcibly but which was so much propoganda (much like that by Goebbels), taking the place of reality, have registered their protest vote against the Tories.

Next year the elections are to be held for the Scottish Assembly, and it is this body that deals with much of the Government of Scotland (importantly the NHI which has been the absolute responsibility of the Scottish not English Government for the last five years). It is these elections that are the really important ones for the Scots and the question of a new referendum will be THE priority for the SNP's manifesto for that election......will they sweep all ahead of them then? I do not think so. Personally, I think that the English should firstly bar them from voting in Parliament on issues they are not involved in and which they deal with in the Assembly (thus increasing their majority) and give them more power not less and be reay to rescue them when it all goes to c***!! That would get rid of the Barnet formula and stop the SNP propoganda that all that is bad in Scotland is the fault of the "nasty Tories/English" and all that is good is down to the deal old SNP!!


I don't think I've read a less well informed, xenophobic rant in this entire thread. In fact, The Daily Fail would have been proud. Rabble rousers? Thugs? were you in George Square on the 19th of September last year when young girls were attacked for carrying their nation's flag? Thought not. As to the nonsensical idea that you can ban an elected MP from voting on any mater he wishes, it shows shocking ignorance of the constitutional conditions of Parliament.

By the way, we don't have a 'Scottish Assembly', we have a Scottish Parliament, but I'm sure to you that'll be pedantic. If you want to make comparisons awith Goebbels, have a look at all four of the major UK parties' campaigns. It makes interesting reading. Interesting, that is, if you're not a dyed-in-the-wool Little Englander.
 
IMHO the SNP victory in Scotland has given big Dave a bigger advantage than many would imagine.

If I am correct (big if) then SNP want larger say in Scotlands affairs (fair enough).

Trade off by big Dave is English votes for English laws.

Answer much bigger majority for the Conservatives in the commons.

Not Cameron's biggest fan but he played Labour in a political master stroke in Scotland over the referendum by getting Labour to support the union.
 
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