All Blacks 2021-2025 Thread

[AngloScotsHybrid]

I love Justin Marshall's pronunciation of "He's got players sweating on him." Sounds like they have a crush on him

 

[AngloScotsHybrid]

Daubagne sounds like a pasta sauce.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Always find it funny when teams get annoyed they couldn’t get to 50

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Proctor looks a far more complete 13, reiko was always a class wing so makes a lot of sense for them.

Honestly I thought Mo'unga coming back was a dead cert when Robertson came in. But guess NZRU dont rate him as much as others. Mad because he's one of the best 10's in world rugby

he was tried too many times in the black jersey and i dont think once had an amazing performance, consensus is hes a flat track bully, stands out at super level when he can run at some journeyman playing at his highest level....but wilts if he has to try it against seasons internationals.

He's also a bit of a one trick pony, or at least a one gameplan pony....cant ask him to kick for territory or keep it tight, every ball was a roll of the dice to open the opposition up of hand over the ball

finally he 31 so definitely at the end of his career rather than the start or even the prime.....which we would ditch BB too and look to the next generation

Kiwi comm.s are just a touch biased - that deliberate knock-on isn't deliberate, because it's instinctive and trying to knock it backwards - which both contradictory, and wrong in both aspects (I'd have allowed "instinctive" - which doesn't change the offence - but it's also an instinct that every pro rugby player should have suppressed years ago)

we say the same when watching NH games....commentators going to commentate

 

[Kiwiwomble]

haven't met too many happy about this just yet

he'll come in after next years super season, play some NPC then probably go with the ABs on EOYT, then super season and RWC

"i woudlnt have accepted DC swooping back in pretty much just for a RWC....and Richie aint no DC" is along the lines of what ive heard a few times

lets see if DMac take up a R360 contract now

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The thing is NZ don't have a 10 like him at that level
BB has been class, Dmac can be class, BUT none are game managers like Richie

NZ want to bit the Boks IMO they need him at 10

 

[Kiwiwomble]

The thing is NZ don't have a 10 like him at that level
BB has been class, Dmac can be class, BUT none are game managers like Richie

NZ want to bit the Boks IMO they need him at 10

RM is rated so much higher in canterbury and outside NZ than the rest of NZ, most kiwis i talk to just dont get it, we dont see the game driving that others praise him for, we see him as VERY similar to Dmac and too a lesser degree BB, lots of happy to go backward hoping to go forwards, lots of running across field with everyone else watching him trying to work out whats next, lots of chip or cross field kicks even in your own 22 hoping to open a team up immediately

so...the question is why? why splash the cash and **** of the next generation of 10's...to get more of the same....and not only that...someone that was tried lots and found lacking...three coaches couldn't decide which of the three of them was the better 10

almost everyone i talk to would like to see a young more tradition 10 (distribute, big boot for territory) as a foil to the flashy 10's we've already signed....of we have dmac/bb/rm starting and one of the other on the bench....they dont bring something different


and the big flaw they all have....they only play one way, none of them are going to change gears if a game isn;t going our way, grab a game by the throat, no matter if we're up by 20 or down by 20 they all play a wild erratic attack from anywhere gameplan

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I mean I think it's been pretty clear since the Ireland summer series that RM was the go to 10.
Completely disagree he's similar to Mac, he's got a far better tactical game and I don't see him as the flashy type of 10 at all really.

NZ fans think less of him because he is the Saders 10, It's simple as that IMO. He's not Dan Carter GOAT status and he's got an armchair ride at the Crusaders (is my perception of how people feel about the crusaders at least) no matter what he wins it becomes a given.

Like what next gen of 10's is he blocking?
None of the young 10's coming up are ready or look ready to lead a World Cup charge? Reihana?

Love, Reihana, Jacomb, Cameron are all miles off.

RM got you to a RWC final despite IMO a terrible head coach in Foster and lost to the best team in the world currently. RM really grab hold of the NZ team in 2023 RWC and showed his worth, there is a reason BB is never trusted at 10 for the RWC's IMO

 

[Umaga's Witness]

I mean I think it's been pretty clear since the Ireland summer series that RM was the go to 10.
Completely disagree he's similar to Mac, he's got a far better tactical game and I don't see him as the flashy type of 10 at all really.

NZ fans think less of him because he is the Saders 10, It's simple as that IMO. He's not Dan Carter GOAT status and he's got an armchair ride at the Crusaders (is my perception of how people feel about the crusaders at least) no matter what he wins it becomes a given.

Like what next gen of 10's is he blocking?
None of the young 10's coming up are ready or look ready to lead a World Cup charge? Reihana?

Love, Reihana, Jacomb, Cameron are all miles off.

RM got you to a RWC final despite IMO a terrible head coach in Foster and lost to the best team in the world currently. RM really grab hold of the NZ team in 2023 RWC and showed his worth, there is a reason BB is never trusted at 10 for the RWC's IMO

I agree that he's not really the flashy type, (but can be flashy) . Seems a strange take given how boring, aka prioritised managing games, the Saders were under razor most of the time, compared to other nz teams at least.

I'm not sure I agree that it's Saders vs non Saders fans exactly. Mounga found it difficult a lot of the time at test level against strong rush defence but then that wasn't helped by game plans and not getting a consistent run at ten. Also who in world rugby has been good at sparking attack against rush defence? In the words of scribe, not many, if any.

Also Nz in general this century has become obsessed with the idea that competition for places brings the best out in players. This is only true for some players, not so much mounga, and especially not dmac.

Im a big dmac fan and was one of the few supporting his move to ten in the early days. But dmac works best when he has confidence and the game plan is designed to suit him. The current coaches are not giving him either.

And beauden is very erratic and makes poor decisions. He has improved a bit over the last year though.

Still, I'm confident that mounga under the current system would do better than bb and dmac.

And I agree that no upcoming tens are ready, and none are showing obvious promise of being a world beater.

 

[higgik]

I agree that he's not really the flashy type, (but can be flashy) . Seems a strange take given how boring, aka prioritised managing games, the Saders were under razor most of the time, compared to other nz teams at least.

I'm not sure I agree that it's Saders vs non Saders fans exactly. Mounga found it difficult a lot of the time at test level against strong rush defence but then that wasn't helped by game plans and not getting a consistent run at ten. Also who in world rugby has been good at sparking attack against rush defence? In the words of scribe, not many, if any.

Also Nz in general this century has become obsessed with the idea that competition for places brings the best out in players. This is only true for some players, not so much mounga, and especially not dmac.

Im a big dmac fan and was one of the few supporting his move to ten in the early days. But dmac works best when he has confidence and the game plan is designed to suit him. The current coaches are not giving him either.

And beauden is very erratic and makes poor decisions. He has improved a bit over the last year though.

Still, I'm confident that mounga under the current system would do better than bb and dmac.

And I agree that no upcoming tens are ready, and none are showing obvious promise of being a world beater.

Sound very similar to England 10s,
DMac = Marcus
BB = Finn
RM = Ford

 

[Kiwiwomble]

this is a wild discussion, literally the first time ive heard anyone suggest RM ISNT a chaotic/flashy/attack from anywhere kind of 10...and conversely....never heard heard him considered a traditional game manager

this feels like how we've got stuck in this endless cycle of DMac/BB/RM....one of them gets a run of games but people get sick of the chaos....and suggests one of the other two was hard done by and really is the kind of 10 we need....so they get a run....and we get sick of the chaos....and suggests one of the other two was hard done by and really is the kind of 10 we need......

I dont know, maybe im in an echo chamber but what i hear most often over the last couple of years is the three of them are far too similar....and i have to agree when i watch them

in saying all of that...im mostly annoyed how we tried to get him back last year...and he said no, in my mind that should have been the end, this isn;t a contracted sabatical...this is him literally playing over seas and swanning back just in time for the RWC....which no one else gets to do