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All blacks vs Wallabies 05/08/2023

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  • Angus Bell (22 Tests)
  • David Porecki (13 Tests)
  • Pone Fa'amausili (4 Tests)
  • Nick Frost (11 Tests)
  • Richie Arnold (3 Tests)
  • Tom Hooper (2 Tests)
  • Fraser McReight (11 Tests)
  • Rob Valetini (33 Tests)
  • Tate McDermott (c) (24 Tests)
  • Carter Gordon (3 Tests)
  • Marika Koroibete (54 Tests)
  • Samu Kerevi (44 Tests)
  • Jordan Petaia (26 Tests)
  • Mark Nawaqanitawase (5 Tests)
  • Andrew Kellaway (22 Tests) Finishers
  • Jordan Uelese (18 Tests)
  • James Slipper (130 Tests)
  • Zane Nonggorr (1 Test)
  • Will Skelton (27 Tests)
  • Rob Leota (15 Tests)
  • Nic White (62 Tests)
  • Quade Cooper (79 Tests)
  • Izaia Perese (4 Tests
1. Tamaiti Williams (1)

2. Samisoni Taukei'aho (23)

3. Nepo Laulala (48)

4. Brodie Retallick (102)

5. Samuel Whitelock (144)

6. Samipeni Finau *

7. Sam Cane (88 – captain)

8. Ardie Savea (73)

9. Finlay Christie (16)

10. Damian McKenzie (41)

11. Leicester Fainga'anuku (2)

12. Anton Lienert-Brown (61)

13. Braydon Ennor (8)

14. Shaun Stevenson *

15. Will Jordan (23)

16. Dane Coles (85)

17. Ofa Tu'ungafasi (52)

18. Fletcher Newell (6)

19. Tupou Vaa'i (20)

20. Luke Jacobson (13)

21. Aaron Smith (117)

22. Richie Mo'unga (47)

23. Dallas McLeod
 
So, wallabies same as last week except
Faaumasili and nongorr replacing alaalatoa and tupou
Tom hooper moves to blindside with mcreight coming into openside, Holloway out.
Skelton and Arnold swap their starting and bench roles.

I was surprised to see Holloway ahead of mcreight last week, but it seems eddie wanted three strong lineout options and was trying to accommodate skelton. This week skelton moves to the bench and mcreight comes in.

As for the all blacks, I'm surprised there is no roigard in the 23 in our last game before the World Cup squad is named. I guess that says they have seen enough of him, whether that means he is in or out I don't know. I'm not a fan of Christie but have been impressed that he has improved hugely this year in one of his biggest weaknesses - getting the ball out of the ruck when they're is ruck pressure. Still, his clearance is slow. I'd still prefer smith, Roigard, TJ, weber, and Fakatava. Hard to see what they'll find out about him this game. He could hamper our attack, or it could be that the wallabies are so crap in the tackle and ruck that he will be made to look good.

Interesting to see Newell back. I think they'll take 6 props including at least one of Williams and tuungafasi. So one of the props in the squad now will have to drop out. (Noting moody is in there too). A big game for laulala, Williams, and newell then. I wouldn't be surprised if they go with both Williams and tuungafasi as it will better protect them from having to sub a player out of the squad should they get two concurrent but short term injuries on one side of the scrum. That would mean it's newell vs laulala for the final spot. If they don't go this route then you'd say ofa would miss out on current form, despite being clearly our best prop two years ago. But newell may still need to prove himself. He's such a freak athlete though I would think they'll take him.

Oh stevenson is there! That is both strange and cool. Says to me narawas injury might be severe.

Ennor, I've said it before, yes he's been very good at super this year but I just don't see how they justify a specialist centre. Sure he can play wing, but do you want him to?

And mcleod, how is a match off the bench going to tell you much? To me that says they've pretty much already made up their minds in him too, which way I'm not sure.
 
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Really surprised to see Gordon starting for the Wallabies again, I've seen EJ drop players for far less than his performance last week
 
Really surprised to see Gordon starting for the Wallabies again, I've seen EJ drop players for far less than his performance last week
You are surprised by an Eddie selection? Thought you'd have learnt by now

Joking aside I'm not surprised; Gordon is young and inexperienced, it's fair to give him another go
 
Joking aside I'm not surprised; Gordon is young and inexperienced, it's fair to give him another go
Yeah I'm not saying I'd necessarily bin him (though I doubt I'd start him) but EJ has binned off young players in the past i.e. Nick Isiekwe was subbed after 30mins on his first start and wasn't seen in an England shirt again for another 4 years

Maybe EJ has mellowed out since returning home :p
 
Yeah I'm not saying I'd necessarily bin him (though I doubt I'd start him) but EJ has binned off young players in the past i.e. Nick Isiekwe was subbed after 30mins on his first start and wasn't seen in an England shirt again for another 4 years

Maybe EJ has mellowed out since returning home :p
He has made some erratic, schizophrenic, selections for Australia.

Tate McDermott was omitted entirely from Eddie's first squad and now he is captaining the side.

He has talked up vunivalu only to ditch him after one game. Others have been in and out.
 
Good to see Jordan starting at full back. Closest player I have seen to Cullen the way he glides. No doubt after the RWC he'll be starting there more regularly.
 
Didn't see the game but definitely didn't expect such a close scoreline
 
I didn't realise it kicked off so early. Still, highlights of the game posted in general thread.
 
Wallabies showing vulnerability at scrum time. Tom hooper and skelton played well.

Was disappointing to see mckenzie play poorly.

And disappointing to see Stevenson showed weakness on defence in both the wallabies tries but at least good to see him do a lot of good things as the game wore on.

Him and finau both had mixed games that improved throughout the game, so hard to know what that means in the eyes of selectors although it is unlikely there will be room for stevenson in any case.

Faingaanuku played well.

Christie does some good things, as he does, but didn't perform his core role too well.

Poor game from taukeiaho, mostly in the lineout.

Savea and whitelock played well.

Hopefully retallick injury isn't too bad.

I don't know how ofa gets away with angling in like he does, but multiple reds now have allowed it so I'm guessing it's me that doesn't understand the rules.
 
Yeah I'm not saying I'd necessarily bin him (though I doubt I'd start him) but EJ has binned off young players in the past i.e. Nick Isiekwe was subbed after 30mins on his first start and wasn't seen in an England shirt again for another 4 years

Maybe EJ has mellowed out since returning home :p
England probably had, you know, options.
 
He has made some erratic, schizophrenic, selections for Australia.

Tate McDermott was omitted entirely from Eddie's first squad and now he is captaining the side.

He has talked up vunivalu only to ditch him after one game. Others have been in and out.
I can't see any positive of players not knowing where they stand with a coach
 
I can't see any positive of players not knowing where they stand with a coach
Well, interestingly, foster keeps saying all the players know exactly where they stand, and apparently he is history's worst coach in every way. So there is that.
 
Wallabies showing vulnerability at scrum time. Tom hooper and skelton played well.

Was disappointing to see mckenzie play poorly.

And disappointing to see Stevenson showed weakness on defence in both the wallabies tries but at least good to see him do a lot of good things as the game wore on.

Him and finau both had mixed games that improved throughout the game, so hard to know what that means in the eyes of selectors although it is unlikely there will be room for stevenson in any case.

Faingaanuku played well.

Christie does some good things, as he does, but didn't perform his core role too well.

Poor game from taukeiaho, mostly in the lineout.

Savea and whitelock played well.

Hopefully retallick injury isn't too bad.

I don't know how ofa gets away with angling in like he does, but multiple reds now have allowed it so I'm guessing it's me that doesn't understand the rules.
No one understands the scrum rules mate.
 
Watched first 20 minutes. Honestly don't know how Australia lost this. Up 17-3 and seemed to be dominating. Absolute bottle job in the last 60 I guess or did the all blacks figure things out?
 
Watched first 20 minutes. Honestly don't know how Australia lost this. Up 17-3 and seemed to be dominating. Absolute bottle job in the last 60 I guess or did the all blacks figure things out?
Second half: With faaumasili playing with an injury and new props coming on from both teams the All blacks got scrum penalties, all blacks defence tightened up and chopped low and early, as a consequence all blacks got lots of turnovers, all blacks stopped making as many errors and bad decisions. All that equates to all blacks having more possession and territory.
 
I didn't realise it kicked off so early. Still, highlights of the game posted in general thread.
no one i know in aus watched it...we were all still at our clubs games. actually got a bit ****** off, we were fifth going into the last round and so towards the end we needed to know how the fourth placed team was going...if they lost and we won then we went through...so we opened the Rugby Vic app to check their score....result of the AB's game was plastered all over the first page...ruined any urgency to watch it

why not sunday avo?
 
no one i know in aus watched it...we were all still at our clubs games. actually got a bit ****** off, we were fifth going into the last round and so towards the end we needed to know how the fourth placed team was going...if they lost and we won then we went through...so we opened the Rugby Vic app to check their score....result of the AB's game was plastered all over the first page...ruined any urgency to watch it

why not sunday avo?
That's pretty standard, no? Back when I played club rugby they were all league fans who couldn't be arsed running back 10.
 

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