[COVID-19] General Discussion

[Leonormous Boozer]

We're at an interesting stage in Ireland now where we've averaged less than 10 deaths and less than 60 cases a day for over a week and our transmission rate is R0.4. At that rate the current roadmap is far too conservative and talk of accelerating it has begun.

We're already at a stage where we'll be paying taxes long into the future to pay the benefits off, that's fine, I'll be applying for the COVID unemployment benefits on Tuesday so it'd be hypocritical to complain, but we need to limit the damage by getting the economy properly going again. I think we need to open everything up in some capacity by July, some things will look a lot different, sit down bars and socially distant offices are the obvious ones but that's better than what is currently going on. It's also time to accept that the elderly and immunocompromised have been dealt a **** hand here and there's nothing the rest of us can really do about it other than keep our distance. The reported cases add up to .5% of the population and with a vaccine not a guarantee in the short to medium term they can't be used as the reason the remaining 95%+ of the country are getting ****** over, provide them with strong COVID benefits and Aid rather than giving 19 year olds who used to do a couple weekend shifts 350 euro a week as is currently going on. In other words, protect only those who need it rather than everyone.

I believe our population is now educated enough to take a bit of responsibility on ourselves, we can keep socially distant policies and not ruin hundreds of thousands of lives by financially crippling the country. We need to start the rebuild now, and now is the real challenge for Leo Varadkar, he's a done a great job so far but as a doctor the outbreak was always going to be easiest for him.

The socialist majority over here are likely to strongly disagree with me but it's clear from our last election they don't have a notion.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Sounds a lot better over the narrow sea than over here in the UK. It'll highlight how much our Government has bungled the handling even more compared to Ireland.

 

[dullonien]

Sounds a lot better over the narrow sea than over here in the UK. It'll highlight how much our Government has bungled the handling even more compared to Ireland.

It's no longer the UK as a whole either. Things appear very different in Wales at the moment too. We haven't eased the lockdown in the same way yet. The photos of jam packed beaches across England over the last few days are worrying, and something which isn't happening here yet:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-lockdown-wales-beach-park-18336312

Always a worry using WalesOnline as a source, but my understanding is that this is a true representation.

We'll see if things change when our own lockdown measures are eased tomorrow, when we'll be allowed to meet with people from one other household in public places as long as it's within 5 miles of home.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Bit of noise about Bojo's sister also flouting lockdown. Doesn't feel like a major story, but a headache he could well do without.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/31/bori...el-flouts-lockdown-stay-second-home-12782842/

 

[duncanb]

We're at an interesting stage in Ireland now where we've averaged less than 10 deaths and less than 60 cases a day for over a week and our transmission rate is R0.4. At that rate the current roadmap is far too conservative and talk of accelerating it has begun.

We're already at a stage where we'll be paying taxes long into the future to pay the benefits off, that's fine, I'll be applying for the COVID unemployment benefits on Tuesday so it'd be hypocritical to complain, but we need to limit the damage by getting the economy properly going again. I think we need to open everything up in some capacity by July, some things will look a lot different, sit down bars and socially distant offices are the obvious ones but that's better than what is currently going on. It's also time to accept that the elderly and immunocompromised have been dealt a **** hand here and there's nothing the rest of us can really do about it other than keep our distance. The reported cases add up to .5% of the population and with a vaccine not a guarantee in the short to medium term they can't be used as the reason the remaining 95%+ of the country are getting ****** over, provide them with strong COVID benefits and Aid rather than giving 19 year olds who used to do a couple weekend shifts 350 euro a week as is currently going on. In other words, protect only those who need it rather than everyone.

I believe our population is now educated enough to take a bit of responsibility on ourselves, we can keep socially distant policies and not ruin hundreds of thousands of lives by financially crippling the country. We need to start the rebuild now, and now is the real challenge for Leo Varadkar, he's a done a great job so far but as a doctor the outbreak was always going to be easiest for him.

The socialist majority over here are likely to strongly disagree with me but it's clear from our last election they don't have a notion.

Clearly very considered and looking at both sides.
Top post on this whole topic

 

[Amiga500]

We're at an interesting stage in Ireland now where we've averaged less than 10 deaths and less than 60 cases a day for over a week and our transmission rate is R0.4. At that rate the current roadmap is far too conservative and talk of accelerating it has begun.

Its a double edged sword. A week longer at R0.4 and the numbers are soo much less than, say, R0.8. Basically its grab a week or two heavily compromised now for maybe a month of full relaxation release later.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Hats off to the Spectator for this....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-statement-from-the-chairman-of-the-spectator

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Hats off to the Spectator for this....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-statement-from-the-chairman-of-the-spectator
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-statement-from-the-chairman-of-the-spectator

Very noble of the Spectator. I am sure it also enables them to boost their sales as a result that subscribers will feel better that they are buying an editorial with morals.

I am on Furlough atm and to be honest not missing work. Not sure what is happening with my work but happy to stay on Furlough because I have studying to keep me busy.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Very noble of the Spectator. I am sure it also enables them to boost their sales as a result that subscribers will feel better that they are buying an editorial with morals.

That's top class PR for you.....

Now 11 days of the number of people tested being "unavailable" and doesn't appear that the UK Statistics Authority, which has oversight for the ONS, is too impressed with what they're seeing.....

https://www.statisticsauthority.gov...arding-the-governments-covid-19-testing-data/

 

[RedruthRFC]

Very noble of the Spectator. I am sure it also enables them to boost their sales as a result that subscribers will feel better that they are buying an editorial with morals.

I am on Furlough atm and to be honest not missing work. Not sure what is happening with my work but happy to stay on Furlough because I have studying to keep me busy.

Did I miss the "P.S. We've severed all ties with Mary Wakefield" bit? Doesn't really wash if not. Nice bit of PR though.

 

[Amiga500]

That's top class PR for you.....

Now 11 days of the number of people tested being "unavailable" and doesn't appear that the UK Statistics Authority, which has oversight for the ONS, is too impressed with what they're seeing.....

https://www.statisticsauthority.gov...arding-the-governments-covid-19-testing-data/

Yep. Govt are lying through their teeth.

edit: Last sentence was factually incorrect, we are at 2 new deaths, 4 new cases, not 0/0.

 

[Al Bangor]

Kudos New Zealand. You don't have an idiot for a leader like we do in America. You do things right while we swirl down the drain into a sewer of death & destruction.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-newzealan-idUSKBN23905P?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR20W4qn4LtWrVaZEXAWcKlsYV7kzsYUJgjcmTpB4TLMHx7r7grtX3VqEck

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

It's alright everyone, Boris is taking back control.....

 

[RedruthRFC]

It's alright everyone, Boris is taking back control.....

The implication being that he wasn't until in control until now.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Took three days before the NHS app data got leaked
https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-covid-test-and-trace-data-in-england-leaked-to-channel-4-news

Guess their securities should've been more strong and stable

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Took three days before the NHS app data got leaked
https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-covid-test-and-trace-data-in-england-leaked-to-channel-4-news

Guess their securities should've been more strong and stable

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

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Strong end table.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

The implication being that he wasn't until in control until now.

Exactly. We can probably excuse him, but not his government, for the period he was in intensive care.

Here's the Cummings effect in extremis. George Floyd protest in Hyde Park. As stupid as well intentioned.

 

[ncurd]

Exactly. We can probably excuse him, but not his government, for the period he was in intensive care.

Here's the Cummings effect in extremis. George Floyd protest in Hyde Park. As stupid as well intentioned.

Honestly for the protests I don't think we can blame Cummings, the bad part is they were likely ones condemning him. Of course this issue is a lot more important than Cummings but social distancing is more important than protesting this in country's outside the USA. In the USA protests need to attempt to maintaining some level of distancing but its complex.