England 2022/23

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

CCS idk who would be the best fit for him.

Don't think he would start for most teams. Well at least ones that I think would suit him.

Maybe Bristol but I think CCS would suit a power game more

Would like him at Tigers with Wiese away at internationals but feel he would need more game time. And although he is good he isn't at Wiese level.

Unless we think Wiese might be off end of his current contract

 

[HamJan]

In a purely hypothetical situation, on paper etc.etc.etc., for me it's:

Obano, George, Sinckler (we really have no tightheads in this country)
Martin, Chessum (I know it's still early doors on these two but they noticeably improve almost every game - think they're gonna be this generations Johnson/Kay)

A more realistic one:
Genge, George, Sinckler
Itoje, Chessum

Interesting that you'd hypothetically pick Obano ahead of Genge given Genge's form over the last year or so. I've always seen Obano as having huge unfulfilled potential, largely due to injury.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Genge's form over the last year is why I'd pick Obano over him, tbh
He's been poor for Bristol whereas Obano has looker brilliant since his return from injury

Genge does often raise his game for England but that's putting a lot of faith in an out of form player to come good at the right time

I'd also have VRR ahead of Genge

 

[Scotty]

CCS idk who would be the best fit for him.

Don't think he would start for most teams. Well at least ones that I think would suit him.

Maybe Bristol but I think CCS would suit a power game more

Would like him at Tigers with Wiese away at internationals but feel he would need more game time. And although he is good he isn't at Wiese level.

Unless we think Wiese might be off end of his current contract

Id take him at Chiefs, we love abit of power and physicality. He would likely get gametime along side Tshiunza Vermeulen and Fisilau

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

I'm very excited about Pearson who will surely start to get some game time fairly soon and also what CCS might bring in a couple of years. Where they end up playing their club rugby might have a big impact on their prospects.

I could be thinking of someone else but I think Pearson was in the Chiefs academy up to U18s. Would love to see him return down here. Think he'd fit in very well stylistically as a replacement for Simmonds at 8.

CCS I could see fitting in well at Northampton.

 

[HamJan]

Genge's form over the last year is why I'd pick Obano over him, tbh
He's been poor for Bristol whereas Obano has looker brilliant since his return from injury

Genge does often raise his game for England but that's putting a lot of faith in an out of form player to come good at the right time

I'd also have VRR ahead of Genge

Fair comments, I've not seen much of Genge at Bristol but they seemed to be affected across the whole team and coaching staff rather than one particular area. I'd like to see VPR at least given a chance to impress.

I'd also like to see Sinkler feel under more pressure for his starting place.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Genge and Sinckler are well below international standard but we don't really have much choice going in to the World Cup unfortunately.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I rate a fit on form Stuart

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Genge and Sinckler are well below international standard

Genge hasn't been at his best recently but saying he's well below international standard is hyperbole.

It does seem like transferring to Bristol is just about the worst thing a player can do for their rugby development though.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

It does seem like transferring to Bristol is just about the worst thing a player can do for their rugby development though.

No no no no no not having that

It's Gloucester

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

No no no no no not having that

It's Gloucester

Touché

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Genge hasn't been at his best recently but saying he's well below international standard is hyperbole.

It does seem like transferring to Bristol is just about the worst thing a player can do for their rugby development though.

It's not hyperbole, he doesn't play at Bristol like an international player. He looks like a standard club player who makes the occasional good run. He's not been head and shoulders above like an international should be.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

It's not hyperbole, he doesn't play at Bristol like an international player. He looks like a standard club player who makes the occasional good run. He's not been head and shoulders above like an international should be.

Okay but at international level I'd say he's yet to really let us down and has had spells of being fantastic. At his worst he can be a bit anonymous.

If a player is up to scratch at international level then they're an international level player, regardless of what they do at their club. Ma'a Nonu never turned up at SR level and he's one of the greatest 12s to ever do it.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Okay but at international level I'd say he's yet to really let us down and has had spells of being fantastic. At his worst he can be a bit anonymous.

If a player is up to scratch at international level then they're an international level player, regardless of what they do at their club. Ma'a Nonu never turned up at SR level and he's one of the greatest 12s to ever do it.

Completely agree with what you say, it's a great point. I was just talking club level but yeah he raises his game for England.

Probably should have considered your point.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

When you think Genge played like a international for Leicester so it's not like he's always been that way

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

When you think Genge played like a international for Leicester so it's not like he's always been that way

Again, very true.

Bristol dragging them down.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

Curry looks like he's shed some of that extra timber Eddie had him put on. Still a big guy but looks considerably leaner than he used to and his performance seems to be much better for it.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I hope Borthwick let's Farrell play like that for England - he should be our first choice 10 moving forwards this summer

Ford or Smith on the bench - no more dicking around with the 12 shirt if Kelly and Manu are fit (surely at least one them should be at a time)
Lawrence at 13, but covering 12 before Farrell does

 

[West Country Wail]

I hope Borthwick let's Farrell play like that for England - he should be our first choice 10 moving forwards this summer

Ford or Smith on the bench - no more dicking around with the 12 shirt if Kelly and Manu are fit (surely at least one them should be at a time)
Lawrence at 13, but covering 12 before Farrell does

All agreed

 

[higgik]

I hope Borthwick let's Farrell play like that for England - he should be our first choice 10 moving forwards this summer

Ford or Smith on the bench - no more dicking around with the 12 shirt if Kelly and Manu are fit (surely at least one them should be at a time)
Lawrence at 13, but covering 12

I hope Borthwick let's Farrell play like that for England - he should be our first choice 10 moving forwards this summer

Ford or Smith on the bench - no more dicking around with the 12 shirt if Kelly and Manu are fit (surely at least one them should be at a time)
Lawrence at 13, but covering 12 before Farrell does

First sentence says it all.
We still have a culture of playing by numbers rather than what is in front of them.
We could pick Dupont at 9 and Barrett at 10 and still tell them to kick off good ball because it is the 3rd phase.