[England] Post-6N/Pre-RWC Player Watch

[goodNumber10]

yeah got to agree with Raggs here, think it would have gotten out before now if that was the case.

I just don't think Lancaster was impressed with him in camp, and he had terrible form when he came back.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

With Roko, a mate said the other day he had heard that Roko had had a dust up with Lancaster? Some kind d argument and he ended up sweating at him? I'm dubious, as it doesn't seem like something he'd do or something that would stay out of the press...

I'm skeptical about this until I hear something solid, however the idea of someone "sweating" AT someone is quite funny to imagine. Spend a few minutes running round a track and then flick little bits of sweat at Lancaster?

Hopefully Roko doesn't spend ages away from the England squad, he was unlucky to get injured and suffer a huge drop in form just after getting in. It would be a real shame if that was held against him forever. The fact Ashton and Strettle are both back in suggest Lancaster would be willing to recall him, although it seems only Sarries players get that treatment.

 

[goodNumber10]

I'm skeptical about this until I hear something solid, however the idea of someone "sweating" AT someone is quite funny to imagine. Spend a few minutes running round a track and then flick little bits of sweat at Lancaster?

 

[Patchey]

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dirty g*t!

Ah... Swear, not sweat. Swear.

 

[Raggs]

Roko's injury was operable. Bath and Roko elected not to have surgery. I think he started playing again far too soon, and pulled up again against Wasps. He was never a reasonable option in the 6N, and still doesn't seem to have the same acceleration and definitely not the same step. Really would like to see him again in an England shirt, but he needs to be healthy.

 

[Jbobo]

none of what you have posted is unreasonable, but it has zero relevance to the point he was replying to.

You're justifying the selection, he's not questioning his selection he's just saying if the motive is to purely lock him to wales then it's a little bit pathetic/sour/not very nice.

Which i think most people would agree on.

But it was completely relevant? I'm not sure you're grasping what i am saying, or are choosing to ignore it? I am just at a loss at how you think my posts have not addressed the idea that selecting Moriarty 'just to lock him to Wales is pathetic/sour/not very nice'.

It is not just to 'get one over the English', or ' We just don't want England to have him' clearly. The Welsh management are not tying these players down just for the sake of it. They are doing so because they are good young players whom they expect to play in the national team now or in the future (why would they waste squad places on players just to stop England having them?!). England have done it plenty, as have Wales and every other nation. I went into more detail in my above posts, so won't repeat myself again.

 

[Raggs]

To now jump in, it does look a bit iffy when players like Navidi and James Davies don't make it...

 

[Jbobo]

To now jump in, it does look a bit iffy when players like Navidi and James Davies don't make it...

We don't need more 7's, we need cover at 8 as i said earlier. Plus, they are already wrapped up.

I am not even disputing that we are trying to take away their eligibility early, but why wouldn't we want to? Every team does it and as i've said above, it isn't pathetic to invest in the future. All i've said is that it's not pathetic, i don't really mind if you guys think it is. But then again, every team must be pathetic then? Fair enough

 

[goodNumber10]

But it was completely relevant? I'm not sure you're grasping what i am saying, or are choosing to ignore it? I am just at a loss at how you think my posts have not addressed the idea that selecting Moriarty 'just to lock him to Wales is pathetic/sour/not very nice'.

It is not just to 'get one over the English', or ' We just don't want England to have him' clearly. The Welsh management are not tying these players down just for the sake of it. They are doing so because they are good young players whom they expect to play in the national team now or in the future (why would they waste squad places on players just to stop England having them?!). England have done it plenty, as have Wales and every other nation. I went into more detail in my above posts, so won't repeat myself again.

 

[Patchey]

Can we start a 'morals of player poaching' thread to continue this chat.

Stop. Please.

 

[goodNumber10]

Every team does it and as i've said above, it isn't pathetic to invest in the future. All i've said is that it's not pathetic, i don't really mind if you guys think it is. But then again, every team must be pathetic then? Fair enough

like who?

 

[Raggs]

We don't need more 7's, we need cover at 8 as i said earlier. Plus, they are already wrapped up.

I am not even disputing that we are trying to take away their eligibility early, but why wouldn't we want to? Every team does it and as i've said above, it isn't pathetic to invest in the future. All i've said is that it's not pathetic, i don't really mind if you guys think it is. But then again, every team must be pathetic then? Fair enough

Fairly sure Navidi has been playing far more at 8 than Moriarity has been, Moriarity has only been there for Glaws due to multiple injuries to their 8s and 8 cover.

 

[goodNumber10]

i don't really mind if you guys think it is.

clearly you do mind, because you're, again, in an English thread kicking off over it.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Can we drop the eligibility thing? If Wales are taking him purely to prevent England using him then that is pathetic, if Wales are taking him because they actually want him then that's fair. We won't know until we see him in a Welsh shirt or not. Either way, was he particularly likely to be in the England side?

It's a non-issue.

 

[goodNumber10]

Can we drop the eligibility thing? If Wales are taking him purely to prevent England using him then that is pathetic, if Wales are taking him because they actually want him then that's fair. We won't know until we see him in a Welsh shirt or not. Either way, was he particularly likely to be in the England side?

It's a non-issue.

exactly!

 

[Raggs]

Lancaster mentioned taking a look at 6.BV 8.Morgan a week or so ago . Swap Hughes in for Morgan, and the lineout is covered as well.

 

[goodNumber10]

Lancaster mentioned taking a look at 6.BV 8.Morgan a week or so ago . Swap Hughes in for Morgan, and the lineout is covered as well.

i want to see this!

 

[Raggs]

Suggested it may be tried in one of the friendlies. I think it's certainly got legs. BV has a huge workrate, good in the breakdown, obviously fantastic carrier, it's only his lineout work that isn't strong. We'll need to have George as hooker, to give us the best lineout possible, but in terms of carrying, it'll be devastating.

Throw in Vunipola and Brookes just for fun too!

 

[goodNumber10]

Suggested it may be tried in one of the friendlies. I think it's certainly got legs. BV has a huge workrate, good in the breakdown, obviously fantastic carrier, it's only his lineout work that isn't strong. We'll need to have George as hooker, to give us the best lineout possible, but in terms of carrying, it'll be devastating.

Throw in Vunipola and Brookes just for fun too!

i've been advocating this for ages, i'd actually chuck Wood in at 7 (though everyone will disagree with that)

 

[Patchey]

i've been advocating this for ages, i'd actually chuck Wood in at 7 (though everyone will disagree with that)

Yes. We all will.

I'd like to see: Robshaw/Billy/Morgan and also Robshaw/Kvesic/Morgan tried out.