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English rugby plots revolutionary changes to expand new ‘franchise-style’ Premiership

Article talking about Ealing, Coventry and Doncaster all asking to be assessed against Prem standards.

Cov is a traditional rugby town with average attendances of just over 3,000. The other 2 in 18 home games between them wouldn't even be able to fill Welford Road once - both averaging home gates of 1,300.

Good clubs, all. Cov may have an outside chance, but from where they are now it's a hell of a stretch to imagine any sustainably in the elite, shared revenues or not.
I know it sounds like I'm insulting them, but I'm really not. Times are tough and this is where we're at. Championship is fine, but people need to lower expectations if they're thinking any reshuffle will improve things dramatically. We're going to see a few really standout, but the rest will almost be fighting it out amongst themselves in the league.

I also don't think the French leagues dominates will last for the same reasons.
 
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Article talking about Ealing, Coventry and Doncaster all asking to be assessed against Prem standards.

Cov is a traditional rugby town with average attendances of just over 3,000. The other 2 in 18 home games between them wouldn't even be able to fill Welford Road once - both averaging home gates of 1,300.

Good clubs, all. Cov may have an outside chance, but from where they are now it's a hell of a stretch to imagine any sustainably in the elite, shared revenues or not.
Is there an issue with Cov and the bad blood between the football and Wasps. The footballing side which is quite big wouldn't watch rugby now if it was the last sport on earth.

You've also got the issue of being near Saints, and Tigers and who's catchment area do they tip into.
 
Is there an issue with Cov and the bad blood between the football and Wasps. The footballing side which is quite big wouldn't watch rugby now if it was the last sport on earth.

You've also got the issue of being near Saints, and Tigers and who's catchment area do they tip into.
There's no connection between wasps and Coventry rugby, quite a few cov city fans I know have said they wouldn't have a problem ground sharing. I wonder if Coventry could get the crowds wasps managed at the Rhico?
 
American footballs dominance can be credited to its schedule
Friday- high school
Saturday am- youth
Saturday pm- college
Sunday am- youth
Sunday pm- pro
Monday- pro

Of course the nfl is expanding to other days.

I think rugby could follow a similar model to get pros more eyeballs while protecting the amateur game.

I agree am and pm would be a bad idea but Friday and Sunday for the pros could work.
 
I know it sounds like I'm insulting them, but I'm really not. Times are tough and this is where we're at. Championship is fine, but people need to lower expectations if they're thinking any reshuffle will improve things dramatically. We're going to see a few really standout, but the rest will almost he fighting it out amongst themselves in the league.

I also don't think the French leagues dominates will last for the same reasons.
Honestly as a Cov fan I like the set up and level they play at and wouldn't want to end up another Newcastle. Rather be a bigger fish in the pond and live within the means if that makes sense
 
Honestly as a Cov fan I like the set up and level they play at and wouldn't want to end up another Newcastle. Rather be a bigger fish in the pond and live within the means if that makes sense
Definitely and I prefer that myself. So many clubs in other sports push to be at the top when they clearly don't have the resources or financial ability to survive. Stability is far more important and undervalued imo.
 
American footballs dominance can be credited to its schedule
Friday- high school
Saturday am- youth
Saturday pm- college
Sunday am- youth
Sunday pm- pro
Monday- pro

Of course the nfl is expanding to other days.

I think rugby could follow a similar model to get pros more eyeballs while protecting the amateur game.

I agree am and pm would be a bad idea but Friday and Sunday for the pros could work.
Sundays is mini's and youth up to U16 rugby day normally at clubs. Has the same problem as the prem clashing with the adults on Saturday.

Sunday afternoon kick offs might work.
 
One way teams in the top tier of English rugby union could raise some money is sponsoring thier stadium or sponsoring stands at Thier stadium.
 
I'm currently working in Ireland and went to the Leinster towns final on Sunday and it was only 18-17 but is was such an intense and passionate game, there was a crowd of about 3k all fired up and I would take that over some one sided hammering in the premiership any day.
Absolutely agree. Best matches are those with a low gap in the score. I can't stop watching it and am usually very nervous during the game. Definitely not the same as something like one-sided Italy-England for example (when you know who will win just in the beginning of the match 🫤)
 
My franchises to start
Newcastle, Sale, Doncaster
Coventry, Leicester, Northampton
Exeter, Bristol, Gloucester
Quins, Sarries, Wasps (playing in SE London/NW Kent)

When ready
Add in
Leeds, Worcester, Cornwall and South Coast team.
 
Can't help but feel Falcons more likely to go under before becoming a franchise. Hopefully I'm wrong

I also think I'm underestimating the players say on this and the possibility they'll want better pay. Which personally don't blame them
 
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Problem is much more systemic, the game just isnt that popular, and isnt gaining popularity at the rate of other sports. It is enjoyed by mostly older men, and isnt played in most state schools.

Problem with the franchise model is, you could have a billionaire buy a franchise for manchester, birmingham, rotherham... and you arent going to magic up a fanbase, you need to actualy grow the game, get people interested. France have done a lot of smart things for their domestic games, but by far one of the smartest things is having one game a week being on free to air TV built into their massive TV deals.

Rugby is a fantastic game, if it was easier to follow and shown to more people it would pop, you see its popularity spike every six nations and WC because more people can watch it, if people could actually watch the prem without having to buy into endless subscriptions that may be worth it if you are a die hard fan, but of putting if you are trying to get into the sport outside of international windows.

If you get excitment, and show it is a growing market, not stuck to a capped number as is in very localised areas and you could see major investment like france has down their pyramid, once you start having people see it as a money maker it doesnt matter if its a pyramid or franchise the gam is more stable.

Currently? its a niche week to week sport, followed by predominately one demographic, in only certain pockets of the country with most current prem teams showing there is no money to be made and no evidence that it is changing or can be changed by growing interest from the public. So it doesnt matter what you do, its all plasters over something that needs stitches.
See I'd agree completely before last weekend, I bumped into the brother of one of my best child hood friends (and club captain), due to injury he stopped playing recently and is now coaching the seniors he played for, from what he said the grass roots setup locally is actually very popular potentially more popular than when we grew up, since we both stopped playing we both agreed we had a far greater interest in the domestic game than we ever did growing up, I just wonder if a huge part of that is not having a particularly close team geographically, I'm in the south East Quins being my closest club, actually pretty close to where Joe Marler lives, I feel like if there was a local club to get behind it would generate a lot more interest.
 
One way teams in the top tier of English rugby union could raise some money is sponsoring thier stadium or sponsoring stands at Thier stadium.
Many do. But a couple of teams can't financially benefit fully from that because they not the only tenant like Bristol and Sale.
 
See I'd agree completely before last weekend, I bumped into the brother of one of my best child hood friends (and club captain), due to injury he stopped playing recently and is now coaching the seniors he played for, from what he said the grass roots setup locally is actually very popular potentially more popular than when we grew up, since we both stopped playing we both agreed we had a far greater interest in the domestic game than we ever did growing up, I just wonder if a huge part of that is not having a particularly close team geographically, I'm in the south East Quins being my closest club, actually pretty close to where Joe Marler lives, I feel like if there was a local club to get behind it would generate a lot more interest.

Yep. As the crow flies Quins are less than 20 miles from me, but I have precisely no sense of connection. I used to watch Wasps a bit as a mate of mine played for them and occasionally go to Sarries as another mate lives just round the corner. Maybe London's a bit different, but unless you have something on your doorstep or have a particularly close connection, why are you going to go?
 
Yep. As the crow flies Quins are less than 20 miles from me, but I have precisely no sense of connection. I used to watch Wasps a bit as a mate of mine played for them and occasionally go to Sarries as another mate lives just round the corner. Maybe London's a bit different, but unless you have something on your doorstep or have a particularly close connection, why are you going to go?
Agreed in truth I'm a Wasps fan, part of that was because I liked the way they played an another part was them having almost a nomadic feel and not really having a strong geographic home so kind of appealed to me,(had there been a local club it would have been quite different) I'd also love to see some of those promotional games (or what ever they are referred to as) like Sarries vs Quinn's @ spurs ground be played in places like the Amex (Brightons stadium), I know that means both teams and fans have to travel further etc and the pros may not outweigh the cons, it could however give some indication of appetite for the sport in traditionally untapped areas, I know it won't be exact and hard to truly gauge but if attendance is poor and it was well marketed you can fairly write off that area where as if it's a good turn out you may want to look a little deeper at its potential.
 

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