Liam Williams - apology

[TommiG88]

*facepalm*

*edit: if you have time read this: http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-casual-racism-30464

Personal opinion, stop attacking me for my opinion. You're starting to get personal.

Oh, sound like you now.

 

[goodNumber10]

Actually its ironic that the people calling him racist are themselves being racist because they're thinking along racial lines. The PC brigade should not be taken seriously.

What an utterly ridiculous argument.

Understanding the connotation behind the unacceptability of the act and why it is deemed racist makes someone racist?

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

I was also reading some off Liam Williams tweets and some off the stuff he is saying is simply just outrageous for a professional rugby player, like who tweets stuff like that

 

[goodNumber10]

Personal opinion, stop attacking me for my opinion. You're starting to get personal.

Oh, sound like you now.

it's not an attack, it's just pointing out your ignorance if you think it's ok to black up because "like it's his hero innit?"

***EDIT: Mods maybe this should be in the club house considering the only link to rugby is half man half rodent Liam Williams.

 

[TommiG88]

What an utterly ridiculous argument.

Understanding the connotation behind the unacceptability of the act and why it is deemed racist makes someone racist?

No one can discuss anything with you. Attacking people for their opinion and whenever anyone does it to you, you act like a prat. Understand that people DO see things differently to you.

 

[goodNumber10]

No one can discuss anything with you. Attacking people for their opinion and whenever anyone does it to you, you act like a prat. Understand that people DO see things differently to you.

Do you think it's acceptable behaviour to black himself up? simple question isn't it?

Defending it on the grounds of it was all a joke is just as bad as perpetrating the act yourself, it's casual racism if you can't see that then there is no helping you.

***edit: actually don't bother, i'm just gonna block you again. much easier for all.

 

[dasNdanger]

If he had done this in the USofA he'd probably be out of a job - blackface is a very offensive here.



das

 

[goodNumber10]

If he had done this in the USofA he'd probably be out of a job - blackface is a very offensive here.



das

It's highly offensive here as well, hence his crawling apology.

 

[profitius]

What an utterly ridiculous argument.

Understanding the connotation behind the unacceptability of the act and why it is deemed racist makes someone racist?

Lol. Looking to ruin reputations and lives would be more accurate.

Who actually deems it racist? Some newspaper with an agenda says so? The imagination would have to be working overtime to think that.

 

[goodNumber10]

Who actually deems it racist?

most of the civilised world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackf...kness.22_and_the_shaping_of_racist_archetypes

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ckface-halloween-costumes-obviously-offensive

As a result, the genre played an important role in shaping perceptions of and prejudices about blacks generally and African Americans in particular. Some social commentators have stated that blackface provided an outlet for whites' fear of the unknown and the unfamiliar, and a socially acceptable way of expressing their feelings and fears about race and control. Writes Eric Lott in Love and Theft: Blackface Minstrelsy and the American Working Class, "The black mask offered a way to play with the collective fears of a degraded and threatening—and male—Other while at the same time maintaining some symbolic control over them."[37]

Lol. Looking to ruin reputations and lives would be more accurate.

what?

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

I don't understand why it's racist? If he dressed as a famous black man but didn't black up his face is that racist?

If a black person went as fancy dress as a white person is that racist?

Is this film white chicks racist then?

 

[Big Ewis]

If he had done this in the USofA he'd probably be out of a job - blackface is a very offensive here.

what are you, Italian ?

 

[goodNumber10]

from the guardian article:

Too often, though, it's the offending party who tries to determine exactly what's offensive to subjugated groups. That conversation is always a disaster. Trying to convince a subjugated group not to feel a certain way about oppressive symbols – with decades or even centuries of history – is an exercise in hegemonic privilege:

Because I don't feel offended by it, you shouldn't either.

Basically, the desire to avoid hurt caused by an act of racial symbolism should outweigh someone's desire to make sure everybody gets that you're dressed as Barack Obama for Halloween. By continuing — every year without fail — to don blackface, brownface or slanted eyes, offenders are standing firm in their belief that they don't care: they don't care that they're hurting people, and they don't care that they're calling on centuries of hatred for a simple prop.

That's why we're here, with me writing about how blackface – a well established expression of prejudice and hate – is wrong. Halloween should be a night of fun and celebration, not a perpetuation of one of the most racially charged and offensive acts America has to offer. If you're just dying to use paint, maybe go as the Incredible Hulk instead.

If a black person went as fancy dress as a white person is that racist?

Is this film white chicks racist then?

Yes.

 

[Big Ewis]

I don't understand why it's racist? If he dressed as a famous black man but didn't black up his face is that racist?

If a black person went as fancy dress as a white person is that racist?

Is this film white chicks racist then?

nope. In the Western world, you can do it that way, but not the other way around.

 

[profitius]

most of the civilised world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackf...kness.22_and_the_shaping_of_racist_archetypes

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ckface-halloween-costumes-obviously-offensive





what?

Most of the civilised world? Thats funny because in the comments section over 90% of people would agree that he did nothing wrong.

Let's call a spade a spade. The PC brigade are fantasists who love to destroy innocent people.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Wilfred Bony (the man Liam was in fact attempting to be) has actually spoken to Liam Williams and the word that were exchanged were that he the man himself saw nothing wrong in Williams action. In fact Bony goes along the lines of it was pure stupidity that as a sportsmen they shouldn't do that.

Lot of petty name calling on this thread towards Williams and other members, play nice or shut it.

 

[goodNumber10]

Most of the civilised world? Thats funny because in the comments section over 90% of people would agree that he did nothing wrong.

Let's call a spade a spade. The PC brigade are fantasists who love to destroy innocent people.

For decades the general population of the world thought it ok, to make black people sit at the back of a bus, drink from seperate water fountains, pay them less, enslavement, mock black people as a source of entertainment by blacking up.

All those comments prove is there are some deeply ignorant people out there.

Look as i've said all along, the act does not make Williams a racist, but that doesn't mean the act in itself was extremely offensive on a racial basis and as such racist in itself.

You can moan about the PC brigade but defending it is just as ignorant as perpetrating the act.

Wilfred Bony (the man Liam was in fact attempting to be) has actually spoken to Liam Williams and the word that were exchanged were that he the man himself saw nothing wrong in Williams action. In fact Bony goes along the lines of it was pure stupidity that as a sportsmen they shouldn't do that.

Lot of petty name calling on this thread towards Williams and other members, play nice or shut it.

that is literally akin to saying "i'm not racist, some of my friends are black".

 

[big ginger 8]

Ah, the dictionary is out...... i guess by that standard it's ok to call people "Gay" because you know, it means Happy in the dictionary. It's a silly defence.

I don't want to go in on either side of the debate going on but I have to question this. I've never heard anyone suggest the word gay is offensive. There's plenty of other words which are used to insult gay people but gay isn't one of them. I mean it's one of the words in LGBT you know.

 

[goodNumber10]

I don't want to go in on either side of the debate going on but I have to question this. I've never heard anyone suggest the word gay is offensive. There's plenty of other words which are used to insult gay people but gay isn't one of them. I mean it's one of the words in LGBT you know.

in the context of LGBT it isn't but in the context of mocking someone it is, for example calling someone who is straight gay is a slur based on their sexuality, ergo it is homophobic.

 

[Shaggy]

dunno, think it was a Fancy dress, picture is here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cel...star-blacks-up-for-Wilfried-Bony-costume.html

I'm sure he didn't intend to cause offence, but it's a bit ignorant none the less.

It is racist, even if unintentionally so... it's offensive and making fun of someones skin colour and is steeped in decades of offensive behavior towards black people.

It's quite interesting though, my mrs is dutch and they still do the Black Pete thing each year, it's slightly different but there has been a hell of a lot of discussion over whether or not it should be stopped.

Yeah, I don't know that I'd have done it myself, even if my intention was to dress as someone I admired, due to offending others

... I wasn't sure what "Black Pete" was to be honest, but googling it, it doesn't seem to be too much different to this issue

Interesting point that Das made, I remember a certain celebrity judge from the states, on Australia's "Gong Show" saying much the same thing about Blackening up, to five guys who had dressed as the Jackson five, saying that it was totally unacceptable in the States, however, it was shown later that he'd blackened up himself on TV

... Two wrongs don't make a right, but hypocritical none the less

nope. In the Western world, you can do it that way, but not the other way around.

... It's still racist though