Music these days...

Discussion in 'The Clubhouse Bar' started by nam97, Mar 21, 2008.

  1. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    This is my interpretation of what music is about in this day and age,

    http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=L9Jr3M3tL94

    "Throw some deez on that bitch, deez on that bitch........" Pathetic isn't it?

    I'd rather listen to Cyndi Lauper than this ****.

    What's the point? Singing about pimpin dem hoez, getin da bling bling, low ridin on 24z, stepin in2 da klub, and "throwing D's on that bitch" etc.......... it just goes on.

    What do you think?

    I know there is good music these days, but it's crap like this that tops all the billboards and makes all the music videos, exposed to kids who then take it on board as being cool. Sad, just sad.
     
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  3. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    My brain hurts listening to that.
     
  4. BLR

    BLR Guest

    Rap is way past it's prime, it has followed the path of punk in the 90's, basically the soul has been taken out and it's made to appeal to the unclean masses...the only good Rap is some Kiwi rap, more intellectual US rap,(eg. not the large amount of stuff about hoes) and some UK rap...unfortunatley the market is dominated by the shite 'hoes' related rap...luckily there is some good stuff in the Rock arena that will tide me over....
     
  5. Laetca

    Laetca Guest

    There's a reason I listen to Andrew's Sisters and ABBA.
    Pretty extreme examples, but I prefer listening to music that is somewhat older, then mainstream muzic nowadays. There are some real gems out there too in my opinion, one only needs to find the right radio channel here to avoid (too much) modern nonsense.
     
  6. C A Iversen

    C A Iversen Guest

    Oh my god. It really has got this bad hasn't it? I'm serious. This......this is cool?
     
  7. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    More often then not, the original versions of songs are much better then the modern cover versions;

    Examples:

    "We Will Rock You"

    Original: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iikKzQwgBJc&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iikKzQwgBJc&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Cover: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/sEWQ2407vvg&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/sEWQ2407vvg&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>


    "Under the Bridge"

    Original <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/vQOYCXKfpt4&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/vQOYCXKfpt4&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Cover: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/6ke8j_HABCE&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/6ke8j_HABCE&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

    Behind Blue Eyes

    Original: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5_1RqyNdzbE&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5_1RqyNdzbE&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> Cover: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2Pp38SR1lMU&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2Pp38SR1lMU&color1=0x234900&color2=0x4e9e00&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

    Although I admit liking the Limp Bizket version...

    It's always the case...
     
  8. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    The other covers are bad but the people who did the Under the Bridge cover should be shot.
     
  9. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    Those are just crap pop covers or crap pop artists covering decent rock or alternative songs.

    One that really gave me a headache was Scissor Sister's "cover" of Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". Pointless without the guitar solos.

    On the other hand, when decent bands with a passion for music put their mind to it, they can pull off some superb covers. Like James Dean Bradfield's cover of "Raindrops keep falling on my head" or Placebo's cover of T-Rex's one hit wonder "20th century boy" for example show that modern artists are pretty damn good themselves.

    I just shake my head in disbelief at urban music generally these days. A genre which promotes extreme male chauvanism, sexism, mild racism, cop killing, drug dealing, the mindless pursuit of ruining some of Britain's greatest car marques and binning the revolutionary social and political message that hip-hop & trip hop brought to the masses in the 1980s and early 1990s and focusing on a bland, socially unsound and frankly disgustingly capitalistic pile of drivel that elevates mindless thugs like 50cent and 2pac to to the status of heroes and (dare I say this with disgust as I think of a billion equal rights campaigners who have shed blood and tears for their cause who are ignored) freedom fighters. Sickening.

    On the good side however BLR, Goldie Lookin' Chain are pretty much above the mould and the Beastie Boys plod an increasingly lonely path of excellence, mixing punk, hip hop and lounge music!
     
  10. jawmalawm24

    jawmalawm24 Guest

    I use to love hip hop but I have to admit that I am really starting to get sick of the same crap being played over and over again. I'm lucky that I get into most types of music like rock, metal, techno, country and even some old classical because listening just strickly to hardcore rap can give me a headache these days especially at work when sometimes we listen to the same damn song about 6-8 times a night thats when it can really start getting to ya.

    I think hip hop appeals to the masses because it talks about a side of society nobody wants to address and it gives youth of today an outlet for alot of their anger. It's funny how it works thou because probably from 2010-2020 people will be saying how music from 2000-2010 was better to listen to just like how I say music from the 90's was better than it is now.

    Musicians of today have a responsibility to their fans and such however parents should be made to explain to their kids what is real and what is not instead of taking the easy way out and blaming their kids bad actions on some musician they don't even know.

    I still like the dances these idiots manage to come up with, obviously not stuff you'd go around town doin but some steps are pretty stupid looking and these fools make money out of it so hell why not.
     
  11. wc - welcome to my life!! haha



    seriouslly, over the last, 3 years, ive only listened to hauraki, unless someone else was in the car, in which i would give them a choice of hauraki, the rock, or hauraki. and since then i have cut myself off from all current, top 40, and contemparary music. and loving it. sure it limits what i can listen to, but in saying that, you also find a hell of alot of new stuff that you like. ie, i like the beatles, so i look up songs by mccartney, starr, lennon, and harrison. then i find out that harrison played with (phill collins, jools holland, eric clapton, list goes on (and yes, i was a fan of collins and clapton pre this theory)) and then you link them togeather too.



    and its funny, i always joked about it, but my flat mate didnt know how serious i was. like he said to me that at work they got everyone to do the soilder boy dance, or something, and i genuinly do not know what it is. it sounds f***ing stupid. and im sure it is. theres a million shitty emo bands out there, indy bands etc - which are aparantly huge (ala big day out) that i simply have not herd of, untill the bdo, in which they were played on c4, and then i thought - meh i really am not missing out on much.





    now on to rap music. im not normally one to really have a dig at something (well try not to) that i dont like. i try and find good things in things i really dont like (eg, australian rugby ahah :lol: - im a fan of the force) and such. back in the early 90's rap was about what it was about. it was fresh. and it was cool to say fresh back then too. it had substance, and even though i didnt like it then either - at least i let it be. now its commercal crap (along with 90% of rock and every other genre)



    music has lost its sole, and is most obvious in rock, i will admit. but i would rather have no sole currently, but have the legacy of music from the 60's,70's,80's and somewhat of the 90's. people today, cling onto rhcp - whos latest 2 cds have been utter dribble. rage reforming (who are highly overrated(and by overrated i mean there good, but not jesus. they arnt bigger than the beatles)) smashing pumpkins also in the same boat. all very good bands, but really - could they crash a website, get millions of hits, and petitons like led zeppelin did. would they get the same attention pink floyd got at live 8? i think not.



    someone should find that interview with gene simmions that he did a week ago, really digging into todays music.



    im with you though wc. music is about sex violence and egos. it clearly is more successfull, and better when its sex, drugs, and rock & roll.
     
  12. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    Well I got this clip in an email, I really had no idea this **** existed. I stopped listening to anything on the radio except for Hauraki 5 years ago, and whenever someone asks me about music I'm left in the cold 'cos all they want to talk about is "Big lil pimp daddy fresh's" new song.

    Another thing, about todays rock genre... wtf? Most of these guys only do covers these days, I recently saw a video of Dream Theater (quite old, but still) in a concert and they covered about 6 Pink Floyd songs which were crap! And I remember the Foo Fighters ripping off Led Zeppelin horribly. Why do they do cover versions? They only end up butchering them, leaving todays youth not knowing the real roots of that song.

    I think Prestwick bought it up, but have you seen the Scissor Sisters version of Comfortably Numb, seems like a **** take more than anything;

    Scissor Sisters;
    http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=gKUrIkkrLXI

    Pink Floyd;
    http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=tkJNyQfAprY
     
  13. candybum

    candybum Guest

    aw Souljah Boy is just garbage.. have you seen his new clip on C4(nz channel)

    some fan: "hey souljah boy can i get a..."
    retardjah boy: "YYAAAAH TRICK YAAAHH"

    A lame attempt to make 'his original' piece by ripping off Liam Lynch.

    Its mainly lil adolescents that listens to this crap, they think its "hip"
     
  14. DC

    DC Guest

    Soulja Boy is garbage, thats what mainstream "hip hop" is..

    REAL rap rests right now in the hands of the emerging guys, i mean guys like Papoose, guys who are not well known but can really create an excellent song. Rap took a serious hit with the loss of Pimp C i really think he was one of the best out there, along with his partner Bun B. Of course there are several good mainstream rap artists like T.I., Gorilla Zoe, Brisco etc but for the most part Rap is getting takin over by **** like Soulja Boy and Flo Rida and at times even Lil Wayne (to be honest he has some good songs but some of his songs are just absolute ****, he tries to piece his rhymes together way to hard at times). I don't believe that rap is past its prime i just think it needs to pick up where Bone Thugs, Jay Z, and Pimp C left off..
     


  15. jesus, they could at least cover someone more successfull than liam f***ing lynch!



    wc, is that the starway to heaven acoustic one? that you may or may not have found on limewire? cause the thing about that is that he is only having a laugh with it. you can tell its a very small intimate croud, and hes just having a jam. and i personally like foo fighters have a cigar. its deifinatly not pink floyd, and once you take that away it is pritty decent imo.



    you know what rapper i really despise? t-pain. ****, talk about synthisized crapola! total garbage.
     
  16. nam97

    nam97 Guest



    jesus, they could at least cover someone more successfull than liam f***ing lynch!



    wc, is that the starway to heaven acoustic one? that you may or may not have found on limewire? cause the thing about that is that he is only having a laugh with it. you can tell its a very small intimate croud, and hes just having a jam. and i personally like foo fighters have a cigar. its deifinatly not pink floyd, and once you take that away it is pritty decent imo.



    you know what rapper i really despise? t-pain. ****, talk about synthisized crapola! total garbage.
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    Probably is the one you're talking about. The Have a cigar cover I don't like. Maybe my opinion would differ if I heard it for the 1st time not knowing PF hadn't done it.

    Something about classics, when they're redone it makes them always sound bad if they are improvised a bit. It would be a lot better if it was true to the original. Dave Grohl screaming the lyrics just doesn't sound right, and it doesn't have the enormous synthesizer that accompanies the main guitar riff.
     
  17. imo, covers should fall under 3 catagories to be classed as decent.

    1)b-sides. such as, baker st by the foos.
    2)live. and i dont mean, live as in, record a show, and sell it. (bar what pearl jam have done) but, having some fun with the crowd and playing a favorite. songs such as helter skelter. chuck that in the middle of the set or as a encore and the crowd will go nuts.
    3)songs which were ment to be covered. by this i mean black betty. been covered countless times. also a few bob dylan songs, such as all along the watch tower, and i think that one day, live and let die by paul mccartney will also be a song covered, and covered untill no-one knows who actually wrote the bloody song. - ala black betty.

    actually thats what really gets me ehy. rappers who sample. whoever does that song which samples stand by me, is f***ing awful. anyone under 15 wont even know who the f*** john lennon is anymore. just that fat black jamacian guy who talks though a classic song.
     
  18. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest



    Better go visit a shoe maker then, depending on how badly damaged the sole of your shoe is.



    Not all of Music has lost its soul, folk in England is undergoing a rennaissance and is backed by classic underground stalwarts of British music like Paul Weller and Billy Bragg. The Imagined Garden is a superb colaboration of artists where old English folk songs like "Cold Haily Rainy Night" or "John Barleycorn" are rejouvenated by Indian sitars and drums. Superb. Also, rock is being rejouvenated by bands like the Arctic Monkeys for example whose wry social commentry on modern life hasn't been seen since the days of Pulp and Jarvis Cocker. It is pretty ironic that one of the most important musical commentaries on being poor in Britain in the 1990s is now a novelty song narrated by William Shatner and adored by the exact people Cocker was railing against: rich, ignorant Americans/general upper middle class.



    The music is still there, its just disguised by the dross. But then again, its always been like that to be honest.
     
  19. TVH11

    TVH11 Guest

    reffering to the covers being a hell of a lot worse than originals, the ones up the top probably are prime examples of when covers go bad (although i do like behind blue eyes cover) but there are some bands out there that have done awsome covers.

    eg.



    Foo fighters - Band on the run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSIUrba-aoc...feature=related

    very good cover, some argue better than original but thats all personal opinion.



    I also found this too

    a band called Machinae Supremacy covering Britney spears' gimme more

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENG7LXMovuE
     
  20. C A Iversen

    C A Iversen Guest

    John Lennon was covering a Ben E King song with Stand By Me. I get your point though.
     
  21. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    I keep thinking Stand by me by Oasis circa 1997 :lol:
     
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