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Nelson Mandela's health issues

I too have been getting a bit sick of constantly hearing about Mandela. Yes, I can and do change the channel.

HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT, YOU HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING YOU !! MANDELA GOT THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, AND BLAH BLAH BLAH (continues enumerating remote points from wikipedia page) BLAH BLAH YADI YADA, MAN !! HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT ?! YOU MUST CONTINUE WATCHING THE CHANEL, IT'S YOUR DUTY AS A HUMAN BEING !! I THINK YOU SHOULD BURN IN HELL FOR EVEN DARING TO CHANGE CHANNELS AND NOT WATCH EVERY SINGLE NEWS FEED EVERY 20 SECONDS OR SO ABOUT DEMI-GOD NELSON MANDELA !!

I'm sorry, I meant to fart but this came out in stead...and I'm immature, also. Man the Dark Knight series sucks so miserably...
 
Where I live TV's have remotes. If I dislike what is on it I change the channel. To complain some thing is on the news to much is ridiculas. You are talking about a man many see as one of the greatest in history. It is covered so much because many people care and worry about him passing away. If you do not feel the same use the remote.

I think your partially correct, yes we do have the option to change the channel, and some here have stated they have exercised that option. Yet I think many are approaching the over coverage in the way William18 stated, that it's a little undignified to Mandela(having news networks and others hanging on every breath you take) in our opinions. If you disagree thats fine, but it's hardly a completely ridiculous argument, and it's one I've made in many other instances....eg. Sandy Hook, Princess Diana etc.
 
The thing that annoys me about the Mandela coverage is the nostalgic back-patting nature of it - he was a great guy, he did great things etc etc.

There is plenty of nastiness going on in the world which gets zero mainstream media coverage, instead of using Mandela's illness to spark a debate over other injustices going on in the world that he would have hated, people just focus on the stuff thats in the past and the person himself. Cult of personality over anything else.

The Mandela's of today are probably Palestinians, but we all know what sort of bias coverage that issue gets (and what happens to people like Desmond Tutu when they speak out about it).
 
The thing that annoys me about the Mandela coverage is the nostalgic back-patting nature of it - he was a great guy, he did great things etc etc.

There is plenty of nastiness going on in the world which gets zero mainstream media coverage, instead of using Mandela's illness to spark a debate over other injustices going on in the world that he would have hated, people just focus on the stuff thats in the past and the person himself. Cult of personality over anything else.

The Mandela's of today are probably Palestinians, but we all know what sort of bias coverage that issue gets (and what happens to people like Desmond Tutu when they speak out about it).

Partly yes.

But I am of the opinion that this type of news coverage is also necessary. It breaks the norm of murder and violence and shows the world that there are still other things to acknowledge as well.

The respect shown by the global community is evident that he is a great man. The fact that its global news shows public interest. Now while a few of you are getting sick and tired, there are millions others who aren't sick and tired, and still wacthes on a daily basis about what is happening with him. If it wasn't such an interesting story, the media wouldn't have covered it as frequent as it is. They would've moved on and archived the story along with many other articles.

Yet it's still a headline...
 
Well, I expected an educated reply.

One who says he's so much in love with my country, wouldn't have loved my country if Mandela didn't develop our Democracy. During Apartheid many countries like the US and England and Australia, boikotted SA. Had trade embargo's against SA, and even disallowed their own people from visiting SA.

With the Dawn of Democracy which Mandela and De Klerk implemented into our country, they got rid of all these problems with foreign countries, allowing people like yourself to enjoy our country...

But hey, I guess I'm just an ignorant little **** that needs to be educated about my own country because I don't read...
Did you experience apartheid for yourself or did you look it up in some BBC documentary?

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Why was the ANC banned in 50's? Because of the color of their skin? Well that was reported to the international community.

The Suppression of Communism Act, banned the South African Communist Party, and gave the government the power to ban publications that promoted the objectives of communism, and the power to 'name' people who could be barred from holding office, practicing as lawyers or attending meetings.

When one look through history what happened int eh 1950's?

The Cold War, often dated from 1947 to 1991, was a sustained state of political and military tension between powers in the Western Bloc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War

USA
The Communist Control Act (68 Stat. 775, 50 U.S.C. 841-844) is a piece of United States federal legislation, signed into law by Dwight Eisenhower on 24 August 1954, which outlawed the Communist Party of the United States and criminalized membership in, or support for the Party or "Communist-action" organizations and defined evidence to be considered by a jury in determining participation in the activities, planning, actions, objectives, or purposes of such organizations.
At the time Congress began debating the Communist Control Act, significant anti-Communist legislation already existed. The 1940 Smith Act made it a crime to "teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of ... government by force or violence." Nazis and leaders of the Socialist Workers (American Trotskyist) Party and the Communist Party had been convicted of violating the Smith Act and subjected to fines and imprisonment. The Voorhis Act of 1940 required subversive organizations to register with the attorney general. In 1947 President Harry Truman issued an executive order establishing a program to rid the federal government of employees found to be disloyal or security risks.

In 1950 a Democratic Congress, over the veto of President Truman, enacted the Internal Security (McCarran) Act (ISA). The Subversive Activities Control Act (SACA), a part of ISA, required Communist-action and Communist-front organizations and members of Communist-action organizations to register with the attorney general. Members of Communist-action organizations were barred from employment by the federal government, working in a private defense facility, getting passports, or receiving classified information. People who had been members of a Communist Party at any time were prohibited from entering the United States. The other part of ISA authorized the detention of spies and saboteurs during any national emergency declared by the president.

The Supreme Court of the United States upheld the constitutionality of the Smith and ISA Acts in 1950, in Dennis v. United States, and in 1961, in Communist Party of the United States v. Subversive Activities Control Board.

Australia
The Australian Communist Party Dissolution Bill 1950 (Cth) said the CPA was to be declared an unlawful organisation and that the party's property could be seized and disposed of. Any other organisations that were suspected of being affiliated with the CPA were also to be dissolved. Anyone who carried on the work of the party after it was declared illegal was to be jailed for five years. In addition, as soon as someone was declared to be a communist, they were to be suspended from their job if it were in the federal government, the defence forces, or in the unions. In the words of the Bill, a communist was 'a person who supports or advocates the objectives, policies, teachings, principles or practices of communism, as expounded by Marx and Lenin.'

What they did not show the international community.
SA being kicked out of the UN. Note the "All White cast"

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When did SA withdraw from the Commonwealth?
1961

When did the ANC take up the arms struggle and killed woman and children with bombs?
1961.

What do SOuth Africa have a shiitload of?
South Africa possesses 93% of the world"s Manganese, 83% of the Platinum, 61% of the world"s Vanadium, 63% of the Gold, 29% of all the diamonds, amongst many others

Time when UN went banging on about SA about 150 000 people got massacred in Rwanda which the retaliation of it cost another 4 million lives. Amin deported Indians from Uganda.

No one really gave a crap about 150 000 people dying in Rwanda or in Uganda because both those countries do not have a shiitload of minerals. No money there. Screw em

When did the Cold War ended?
1992

When did the ANC get unbanned?
1991

Why did these brave activists sit miles away from protests they organized with trouble makers in the middle to make sure the police open fire on woman and children and its seen on tv?

Who control the most of the mies and minerals in SA?
De Beers (aka Anglo)

Who got a 20 percent stake of De Beers after 1994?
These so called freedom fighters fighting for freedom or shall I say shiitload of cash?

What did De Beers get for 72 years?
Cheapest labour to work in the mines due to SA having no border control and gold and daimonds were discovers opening up jobs for anyone in Africa. In 20 years black population grew by 32 million.

After the Ottowa summit an American liberal journal asked Professor John Hutchinson (John Hopkins University) to write an article about the 12 day Commonwealth parley…said he… ―

You asked for my observations on the proposal, made at the last Commonwealth summit, for a Commonwealth Force to be stationed in Rhodesia for ten years to keep the peace and, presumably, to usher in a democratic age…The mind expands at the idea. General Amin of Uganda could administer massacres. Prime Minister Forbes Burnham of Guyana might give a course on inter-racial affection. Prime Minister Errol Barrow of Barbados, who apparently is not afraid of bloodshed in Rhodesia, could advise on the maffia consessions, a major perk in the Carribean. I do not quite know what Prime Minister Gough Whitlam of Australia might do, since he is busy analyzing other governments, but perhaps he could squeeze in a lecture on ―Apects of Aboriginal Freedom‖: it would not take long, since there are only aspects to deal with…‖

Images how Soweto or townships were shown to international community
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Ones they did not show of houses in Soweto
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At the hight of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 Football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses. In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market. There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The African of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.


How is killing other black people who did not agree with you fighting for oppression against racial whites?

On the 11th of February 1990, arch Communist Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela walked hand-in-hand with his wife Winnie out of Victor Verster prison near Paarl. He was whisked away to Cape Town"s City Hall from where he would make his first public address in 27 years…a rather unforgiving and resentful speech in front of 80,000 people.

Today the majority of South Africans, black and white, recognise that apartheid has no future. It has to be ended by our own decisive mass action in order to build peace and security. The mass campaign of defiance and other actions of our organisation and people can only culminate in the establishment of democracy. The destruction caused by apartheid on our sub-continent is in- calculable. The fabric of family life of millions of my people has been shattered. Millions are homeless and unemployed. Our economy lies in ruins and our people are embroiled in political strife. Our resort to the armed struggle in 1960 with the formation of the military wing of the ANC, Umkhonto we Sizwe, was a purely defensive action against the violence of apartheid. The factors which necessitated the armed struggle still exist today. We have no option but to continue. We express the hope that a climate conducive to a negotiated settlement will be created soon so that there may no longer be the need for the armed struggle.

I am a loyal and disciplined member of the African National Congress. I am therefore in full agreement with all of its objectives, strategies and tactics.
http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=4520

What happened next?
22,000 people died in crime-related violence in the fifteen months. 1992 South Africa had one of the world's highest crime rates, on a per capita basis.

Nice one Nelson. Get out after 27 years and suddenly 22000 people died in fighting between two black parties. White South African were uneffected. The murdering went on till there was nothing left of the iFP then it started on the farmers suddenly. 3000 dead and counting.

Lets not forget the plundering of Boputatswana who did not want to integrate with SA in 94. It has the biggest platinum reserves in the world. No problem. Mass action. Country were burned down and people were killed till they said yes.

Bophuthatswana, Venda and Ciskei escalated with murder and bomb blasts…the season of violence was only starting.

Today we hold “Democracy†as the highest value of the Western World, but thanks to “Democracy†we have Hamas, a Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorist organization in charge of the Palestinians. Thanks to democracy Hitler was voted into power..............
 
sifplay Well said. The words you are saying I keep hearing daily from my SA colleagues down here in Kiev. They don't seem to be impressed much by the 'dawn of democracy" either. Some of them think of moving out of the country. And I heard a lot already did. My mom visited SA in 1978 and was amazed by the country. I visited SA in 2010 and was shocked. Honestly... and I thought MY country was dangerous and criminal :D

So, as I've already said - I love SA because of its magnificent nature, because of afrikaners, because of your outstanding rugby, while majority of fails and bummers seem to be related to the banning of the apartheid and Mandella's "achievements".

IMPORTANT: That is just my impartial opinion, please, do not call deathly peril on my family and do not curse my kin altogether. You may keep calling me "racist communist" though. It's funneh :D
 
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Did you experience apartheid for yourself or did you look it up in some BBC documentary?

Why was the ANC banned in 50's? Because of the color of their skin? Well that was reported to the international community.

When one look through history what happened int eh 1950's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War

USA

Australia

What they did not show the international community.
SA being kicked out of the UN. Note the "All White cast"

When did SA withdraw from the Commonwealth?
1961

When did the ANC take up the arms struggle and killed woman and children with bombs?
1961.

What do SOuth Africa have a shiitload of?
South Africa possesses 93% of the world"s Manganese, 83% of the Platinum, 61% of the world"s Vanadium, 63% of the Gold, 29% of all the diamonds, amongst many others

Time when UN went banging on about SA about 150 000 people got massacred in Rwanda which the retaliation of it cost another 4 million lives. Amin deported Indians from Uganda.

No one really gave a crap about 150 000 people dying in Rwanda or in Uganda because both those countries do not have a shiitload of minerals. No money there. Screw em

When did the Cold War ended?
1992

When did the ANC get unbanned?
1991

Why did these brave activists sit miles away from protests they organized with trouble makers in the middle to make sure the police open fire on woman and children and its seen on tv?

Who control the most of the mies and minerals in SA?
De Beers (aka Anglo)

Who got a 20 percent stake of De Beers after 1994?
These so called freedom fighters fighting for freedom or shall I say shiitload of cash?

What did De Beers get for 72 years?
Cheapest labour to work in the mines due to SA having no border control and gold and daimonds were discovers opening up jobs for anyone in Africa. In 20 years black population grew by 32 million.

After the Ottowa summit an American liberal journal asked Professor John Hutchinson (John Hopkins University) to write an article about the 12 day Commonwealth parley…said he… ―

Images how Soweto or townships were shown to international community

Ones they did not show of houses in Soweto

At the hight of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 Football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to Olympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses. In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market. There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The African of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time.

How is killing other black people who did not agree with you fighting for oppression against racial whites?

On the 11th of February 1990, arch Communist Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela walked hand-in-hand with his wife Winnie out of Victor Verster prison near Paarl. He was whisked away to Cape Town"s City Hall from where he would make his first public address in 27 years…a rather unforgiving and resentful speech in front of 80,000 people.

http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=4520

What happened next?
22,000 people died in crime-related violence in the fifteen months. 1992 South Africa had one of the world's highest crime rates, on a per capita basis.

Nice one Nelson. Get out after 27 years and suddenly 22000 people died in fighting between two black parties. White South African were uneffected. The murdering went on till there was nothing left of the iFP then it started on the farmers suddenly. 3000 dead and counting.

Lets not forget the plundering of Boputatswana who did not want to integrate with SA in 94. It has the biggest platinum reserves in the world. No problem. Mass action. Country were burned down and people were killed till they said yes.

Bophuthatswana, Venda and Ciskei escalated with murder and bomb blasts…the season of violence was only starting.

Today we hold “Democracy” as the highest value of the Western World, but thanks to “Democracy” we have Hamas, a Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorist organization in charge of the Palestinians. Thanks to democracy Hitler was voted into power..............

Lol!

SA withdrew from the Commonwealth in 1961 to become a sovereign state. We were no longer a Union, but a Republic. It meant that SA was not bound by the British Empire and had to govern itself without the interference of outside sources. And to stop income from going to the British Crown, and to rather use it to grow infrastructure.

In 1990 we didn't have a Constitution, we were still using mostly English and Dutch -Roman law to govern ourselves along with Apartheid regime laws. Most of the Apartheid laws are now unconstitutional and no longer part of our justice system.

As for pointing out Soweto and it's sporting infrastructure, it seems you are forgetting the definition of Apartheid, and Afrikaans term meaning Seperation. They had all that infrastructure yet their players couldn't excel or represent their country, as the Apartheid Regime denied them that privelage.

As for showing photos of black international stars in our country, what does that prove?? Many White people had a problem with Apartheid during the Apartheid era, but they weren't part of the parliament, or cabinet. They were just normal civilians. Jan Ellis was a sports star, not a political activist. He has the right to appear with other sports stars of any race.

Mandela was a political prisoner, and was sent to prison for treason in trying to overthrow the government. Since the end of Apartheid, that government was no longer in power, so there was no reason to keep him prisoner. He was then thus released. He was still a member of the ANC, and was adored by many, and his idea was a great one. With any idea there are fighting first. To achieve your goal there had to be some fighting. Look at the civil war of the US in the 1700's. they didn't want to be part of the British Empire anymore so that they can govern themselves. Look how much bloodshed was there! Not just between the colonists and the brits, but also between the colonists themselves.

To compare the 22 000 people who died to that would be a big mistake. It's a very small margin of the big change our country went through and that was a sacrifice most would see as acceptable.

To show Australian and US communist laws in a thread that has nothing to do with SA is a bit over the top. And it proves yet again as in many of your other posts, NOTHING!! Rather show the communism act of SA and how it was implemented to get your opinion through...
 
Your going to end up like the former Rhodesia...just a matter of time.
 
For the sake of argument, let's discuss.

The chances of South Africa becoming a 2nd Zimbabwe are slim to none simply because the country is so different. It's a lot bigger with more international allure and the export products are too valuable for foreign forces to allow this to happen, if the ANC will even try.
 
For the sake of argument, let's discuss.

The chances of South Africa becoming a 2nd Zimbabwe are slim to none simply because the country is so different. It's a lot bigger with more international allure and the export products are too valuable for foreign forces to allow this to happen, if the ANC will even try.

Agree.

Dr. Mamphela Ramphela launched her own political party last week, and in her first week, she has raised a lot of eyebrows, mainly because saying what everyone is thinking without consequence as she's not with the ANC.

In her first public appearance (which was at my High School). She lashed out Julius Malema, camparing him to Adolf Hitler, and that his political party is only for the young rich black South Africans that has no responsibility.

Then in her second public apearance, she lashed out against what she call Zanufication. Aimed at the Zimbabwean political party the Zanu Pf, and Robert Mugabe.

For one, our country will never become a Zimbabwe, as we have a democracy, with the 3 arms of democracy, namely the Judicial, Executive and Legislative arms, based on the Montesquieu principal. Secondly we have a constitution. So nobody is above the law. Also we have actually intellectual people and scholars. We will never become a Zimbabwe, and the sooner Mugabe dies, the better. Why nobody has ever hired a hitman for him, is beyond me...
 
Agree.

Dr. Mamphela Ramphela launched her own political party last week, and in her first week, she has raised a lot of eyebrows, mainly because saying what everyone is thinking without consequence as she's not with the ANC.

In her first public appearance (which was at my High School). She lashed out Julius Malema, camparing him to Adolf Hitler, and that his political party is only for the young rich black South Africans that has no responsibility.

Then in her second public apearance, she lashed out against what she call Zanufication. Aimed at the Zimbabwean political party the Zanu Pf, and Robert Mugabe.

For one, our country will never become a Zimbabwe, as we have a democracy, with the 3 arms of democracy, namely the Judicial, Executive and Legislative arms, based on the Montesquieu principal. Secondly we have a constitution. So nobody is above the law. Also we have actually intellectual people and scholars. We will never become a Zimbabwe, and the sooner Mugabe dies, the better. Why nobody has ever hired a hitman for him, is beyond me...
So does the US supposedly...
 
Hahaha!! And they will also never be like Zim
No, but it doesn't mean things are great. Zimbabwe was a child born kicking and screaming, never given a chance to settle down. At least SA has been somewhat stabile, ignoring the Malemas and Terreblanches.
 
No, but it doesn't mean things are great. Zimbabwe was a child born kicking and screaming, never given a chance to settle down. At least SA has been somewhat stabile, ignoring the Malemas and Terreblanches.

Which country is great at the moment?? Shut up you poms! Andy Murray is not British, he's a Scotsmen...

the Dictatorship of Mugabe is the only reason why Zim is what it is today. When I was a kid, We went to Zim every July holiday. Visited the Vic Falls, Went tigerfishing on a houseboat on the Kariba lake, they had the best wildlife parks, and Bulawayo was a very nice town to visit. It all went to **** and now there is nothing left. I had a very frightening encounter with a snake in Zim...
 
Nah...Switzerland has Democracy (with a deserved capital D) or many USA states (above that, the federal gov't, well...) like New Hampshire. Democracies all over the world are a different kind of animals.

You just switched from a system lacking equal rights to every citizen to another. Nelson Mandela slowed the pace of those changes, he didn't want revenge. Now your going to see the whole picture.

Better have some krugerrands handy and a guide of Perth's (Australia) real estate.


P.S: I wish I would be wrong. I mean it.
 

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