As I said, I think Cips is a good player, he's proved that at club level, but he hasn As I said, I think he's a good player, no doubt. But how is the try he created against South Africa any different to Ford's chip to Nowell to seal the win against Australia in the first test in 2016, or Farrell's boot from the halfway line to May to score against Wales in the 6 nations in 2018? In all three cases, the flyhalf spotted the space behind the up-rushing defence and in an instant of quick-thinking, exploited it with a pinpoint kick. Which is really my point: Cips is a good player, but he doesn't do anything that Ford and Faz don't already do for England. He's never been electric in an England uniform, he's never looked like being another Beauden Barrett or Dan Carter. If he had looked like a diamond-in-the-rough when wearing white, sure, get him in there ahead of Ford-Faz and give him a run of games, but why swap him out for Ford or Faz if you're not going to gain something extra that's beyond the incumbents' abilities? Plus, Ford and Faz bring additional qualities that Cips doesn't: they're both captains, Ford can play scrumhalf (thanks higgik! ) and Faz can make legal shoulder charges to win games. Sure, if Cips had a run of games at 10 he might turn into that awesome World-XV type player that people seem to think he could become, but that goes back to what I said about ifs, buts and maybes. Purely on the evidence of what he's produced to date in an England uniform, he's not better than Ford nor Farrell and hasn't showed any sign that he threatens to be. And as Tigs Man says, a club's form is about far more than one player. It's a team game, not to mention the importance of good coaches. Ackerman's been great for Gloucester, Murphy not so much for Leicester. Cips played for a year for the Rebels in Super Rugby and they were dreadful, but you can't lay all that failure solely at Cips' door, any more than you can lay all of Gloucester or Wasps' success solely at Cips' door either. I'm not knocking Cips, he's proven he's a fine club player and I don't fail to see what he brings to the table for England, I just fail to see what extra he brings to the table for England.