Not only England number 1 but we all may as well not bother boarding our flights and get Shag to hand over Bill right now
... but seriously I think you will prob take fourth back... maybe even third.
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Not only England number 1 but we all may as well not bother boarding our flights and get Shag to hand over Bill right now
... but seriously I think you will prob take fourth back... maybe even third.
Bro you could lose to Russia and the bookies wouldn’t let you slip behind Wales!
3rd
https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc/
# Team Points
1 Wales 89.43
2 New Zealand 89.40
3 (↑5) England 88.13 (+1.33)
4 (↓3) Ireland 87.36 (-1.33)
5 (↓4) South Africa 86.83
6 Australia 84.05
7 (↑8) Scotland 79.87 (+0.86)
8 (↓7) France 79.72 (-0.86)
9 Japan 77.21
10 Fiji 76.98
11 Argentina 76.29
Wow. How many played their way on to a plane home as opposed to Japan after that. Stander was poor, Aki is behind Farrell now, Best is a liability and in the backs Murray was poor before injury but McGrath was just as bad. Stockdale was awful defensivede too and it will be interesting. Dave Kilcoyne has made massive steps forward without togging today and the question is now will Schmidt make brave decisions. I'm a huge CJ fan but Conan is on form, in the backs it's the same Farrell has looked the best centre by a mile so far. So lets not pick Aki over him on experience and lastly as platers Niall Scannell as a starter with Sean Cronin as a finisher is the best combination. Do we pick it or gamble on Best who is battling father time.
And as much as I hate saying this I reckon Japan could shock us. Not Scotland and hope I'm 100% wrong
And as much as I hate saying this I reckon Japan could shock us. Not Scotland and hope I'm 100% wrong
We need to ditch Best, great guy but he's been past it for over a year at this point. James Ryan should be captain. Jean Kleyn is a no from me as well, we have four much better locks. If Stander starts ahead of Conan in the world cup I'm actually going to lose it. None of the backs did themselves any credit either.
Well now it is a question how ruthless will Schmidt be?
Coaches make the big calls.
Jack McGrath has I think all but ended his chances after the Itoje score,
Who starts at 8, and at 2?
I'd seriously review 9 too and Cooney being recalled.
And as I said Farrell has looked a player and can do it at 12 and 13. And offers something different. Should be in the squad.
But now is the big calls because simply put less than a semi final is a failure in my eyes after all that is invested. And it's not just on the coach. Players have to pick it up
Coaches make the big calls.
Jack McGrath has I think all but ended his chances after the Itoje score,
Who starts at 8, and at 2?
I'd seriously review 9 too and Cooney being recalled.
And as I said Farrell has looked a player and can do it at 12 and 13. And offers something different. Should be in the squad.
But now is the big calls because simply put less than a semi final is a failure in my eyes after all that is invested. And it's not just on the coach. Players have to pick it up
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So this win was a huge margin by any standard. Deserved, well played by 22 players(#youngsfor3rd choice) and we won in pretty much every aspect.
Early on i was worried abouy our defence out wide hut tbh it worked, capitalized on mistakes and was clearly the best team. And not by small margins.
So this is heading to a world cup? What were our failures? Looking at combinations what works?
Marler george sinks (start mako adds better handling, mako can do a long pass without thinking and sinks killed it today with the offloads. Having 2 ball handling probs that are powerful carriers and handlers is a no brainer
Itoje kruis work well together and form pair
Underhill curry billy hand working through out and gave billy the opportunity to do what he does best yet underhill wilson curry billy doesnt phase me which 3 start as all have their merits. They are our 4 hands down
Ford faz manu. Happily surprised as i had worries about defence, they arnt perfect but didnt disapoint. Ford is looking good, as is faz. Adding slade back into the 23 for francias would complete it.
May Big joe daly. All 3 are rapid. May seems to have got stronger and big joe faster. Daly is tough, in a tight game of fine margins and he misses tackles and may not be as strong in the air but going forward he can be so elusive quick and have good hands. A double edged sword, have brown who is strong and solid but wont offer much to take the win but a kicking game wint phase him. Or daly who will keep ypu on the front foot and running good lines but being suspect if one on one or the team is one the back foot.
Early on i was worried abouy our defence out wide hut tbh it worked, capitalized on mistakes and was clearly the best team. And not by small margins.
So this is heading to a world cup? What were our failures? Looking at combinations what works?
Marler george sinks (start mako adds better handling, mako can do a long pass without thinking and sinks killed it today with the offloads. Having 2 ball handling probs that are powerful carriers and handlers is a no brainer
Itoje kruis work well together and form pair
Underhill curry billy hand working through out and gave billy the opportunity to do what he does best yet underhill wilson curry billy doesnt phase me which 3 start as all have their merits. They are our 4 hands down
Ford faz manu. Happily surprised as i had worries about defence, they arnt perfect but didnt disapoint. Ford is looking good, as is faz. Adding slade back into the 23 for francias would complete it.
May Big joe daly. All 3 are rapid. May seems to have got stronger and big joe faster. Daly is tough, in a tight game of fine margins and he misses tackles and may not be as strong in the air but going forward he can be so elusive quick and have good hands. A double edged sword, have brown who is strong and solid but wont offer much to take the win but a kicking game wint phase him. Or daly who will keep ypu on the front foot and running good lines but being suspect if one on one or the team is one the back foot.
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Failures at 2 and 9? all you need is an issue depth issue at 15 and your practically England.
Lol they do!
Agreed with all of this from a selection point of view, but the issues go far beyond selection. There's a coaching issue here.
In any other job, if every employee was performing badly, it would be seen as a management problem. That's what frustrates me about Schmidt: his system seems designed for him to never take any responsibility for the failures of the group. He can always point to the players if the system breaks down. But if he doesn't make some changes to the Ireland game plan, we're not making a semi-final, let alone challenging for the trophy.
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Oops! Didn't see the match yet and I don't know if I will bother. 
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You're being a little unfair in my opinion. This coach's systems have seen Ireland win 3/6 Six Nations under his watch, a first ever win away against South Africa, a first test series win in any of the old Sanzar nations in 40 years and the first couple of wins ever against New Zealand. Ireland were one game away from taking over the #1 ranking in the world only 4 hours ago.
Some criticism is warranted though. The team play a very boring style of rugby even if it has been incredibly successful until a few months ago. My other main criticism would be that it appears harder to get out of the first choice team that it does to play your way into it.
Yeah, it’s an old saying but ‘don’t throw the baby out with the bath water’.
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Question for English fans... listening to a slew of podcasts, one universal sentiment seems to be dislike of Eddie Jones. Does a performance like this move the needle at all in terms of general public opinion? I’m as disappointed as anyone when Cipriani can’t get picked, but when you look at results...? Thanks, y’all!
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That was a good showing from England today, but it needs putting into perspective. Ireland are not at the same stage in preparation as England. Look how England struggled against Wales last weekend.
Of the starting 15 for England today, I'd change only Marler for Mako and Watson for Daly.
Daly worries me in defence, especially under the high ball which won't have been unnoticed by other coaches. I'd feel more comfortable with Watson at 15.
Mako is better as a starter for me, bring on Marler after 50+.
As for Youngs..........he has to start although Heinz is doing everything better in his three games so far. Youngs brings nothing to the team as a "finisher".
If Mako's withdrawal is more serious, Ben Moon to step up and join Marler and Genge?
Of the starting 15 for England today, I'd change only Marler for Mako and Watson for Daly.
Daly worries me in defence, especially under the high ball which won't have been unnoticed by other coaches. I'd feel more comfortable with Watson at 15.
Mako is better as a starter for me, bring on Marler after 50+.
As for Youngs..........he has to start although Heinz is doing everything better in his three games so far. Youngs brings nothing to the team as a "finisher".
If Mako's withdrawal is more serious, Ben Moon to step up and join Marler and Genge?
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Don't know whether that's quite true... some of what he does re: selections is maddening, and some people can't seem to understand that he's often trolling and always very calculating about what he says to the media.
But in general, I think most people at least begrudgingly respect his work as England HC.
I don't think so,
EJ has a good track record with England despite a few implosions but it's his pig headedness in certain positions that cause people to lose their rag with him.
We're going into a world cup with one experienced 9, who just had a really dreadful game, and his backup is a 32yr old journeyman with 3 caps (Heinz has played well, don't get me wrong, but we shouldn't have been in a position where we named a 1 cap player in our world cup squad).
Fullback is another one - we're playing Daly at 15 despite him struggling with the main roles of being a fullback and only making up for it with just how naturally talented a player he is.
Then you look at the right wing where we now have three players vying for one shirt (Joe, Watson and Nowell) two of whom play a decent amount of fullback for their club but never get a look in for England
We've had 4 years to nail these positions down and instead are still tinkering one month out.
There's no excuse.
I'm a big Cipriani fan but I understand his exclusion. He only plays 10, and I dont think there's room for another specialist as Ford was always gonna be there. Farrell plays centre too and then two of our centres can cover 10 from the bench/pitch.
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Every single teams have issues at positions.
England's clearly are 9 and 15.
Ireland hard to judge after first teamish run out.
For me 2 8 9 11 12 are stand outs.
But harsh to judge on 1 Game.
For me Ireland 100% in mix but cannot afford another no show game or coach's will pull the panic button.
For England Mako looked gone for Ireland maybe Healy gone.
Arguably the two best loosie around.
Hope both make it.
England's clearly are 9 and 15.
Ireland hard to judge after first teamish run out.
For me 2 8 9 11 12 are stand outs.
But harsh to judge on 1 Game.
For me Ireland 100% in mix but cannot afford another no show game or coach's will pull the panic button.
For England Mako looked gone for Ireland maybe Healy gone.
Arguably the two best loosie around.
Hope both make it.
