SA Rugby to host national coaches’ indaba

[TheOvalBall]

A national coaches’ indaba will be convened from 19 to 21 October in Cape Town, SA Rugby announced on Tuesday. [FONT=&amp]The special gathering will consist of the national coaches, SA Rugby’s Rugby Department and High Performance Rugby Committee, all the local Vodacom Super Rugby franchise coaches and conditioning coaches, as well as a number of invited rugby specialists.[/FONT]

http://sh.st/33cHA


This thread is for all discussions related to the indaba, pre and post. It will be interesting to discuss what has come out of all that. The November tests which will be around the corner, will almost certainly be on the agenda.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I would love to be a fly on the wall of this indaba. I hope that a lashing is what they start off with. How do you go from a 8-point win over the Wallabies to a 42-point loss the next week, with only 2 injuries to the team??

I hope, that the politics stay out of this indaba. And that our Sports Minister doesn't get invited. John Mitchell, Nick Mallett, John Plumtree and Heyneke Meyer should also go to this indaba, and share their oodles of knowledge and experience.

But honestly, I can't see how this indaba is going to save us.

 

[Sotavalta]

I think it is just going to be a lot of empty promises and that nothing is going to change at the end.

This going to be a horrible end of the year tour.

 

[TheOvalBall]

I agree. Transformation policies will still be in place and nothing forward thinking will come out of this.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I agree. Transformation policies will still be in place and nothing forward thinking will come out of this.

Unless, there is a collective stance against the government... #quotasmustfall

 

[TheOvalBall]

Unless, there is a collective stance against the government... #quotasmustfall

I've been thinking this morning. Central contracting might be accepted as the way forward.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I've been thinking this morning. Central contracting might be accepted as the way forward.

It has been the call from various parties for the past 5 years now. But I doubt it will happen overnight. I think it will be gradually implemented if it becomes part of our system, as many players currently have valid contracts with unions, some even signed up to end of 2022

 

[Sailor Pete]

I read on News 24 today, that one of the things they're going to discuss, is 'alignment within South African rugby'.

Does this mean a convergence of styles played around the country with a 'standard operating procedure' relating to player conditioning and training.

I know Brendon Venter is facilitating the pow-wow, but as TRF Heineken points out, John Mitchell, Nick Mallett, John Plumtree and Heyneke Meyer should also be there. I'd include Naas Botha. I know he's not a coach, but I think his understanding of the game and what's required to help South African rugby, ergo Springbok rugby back on track, makes him a demigod in rugby circles.

I just hope they speak frankly and are able to present a unanimous workable solution to SARU... and most importantly that SARU actually listen to them..

 

[TheOvalBall]

I read on News 24 today, that one of the things they're going to discuss, is 'alignment within South African rugby'.

Does this mean a convergence of styles played around the country with a 'standard operating procedure' relating to player conditioning and training.

I know Brendon Venter is facilitating the pow-wow, but as TRF Heineken points out, John Mitchell, Nick Mallett, John Plumtree and Heyneke Meyer should also be there. I'd include Naas Botha. I know he's not a coach, but I think his understanding of the game and what's required to help South African rugby, ergo Springbok rugby back on track, makes him a demigod in rugby circles.

I just hope they speak frankly and are able to present a unanimous workable solution to SARU... and most importantly that SARU actually listen to them..

Jake White must also be there.

 

[TRF_heineken]

I read on News 24 today, that one of the things they're going to discuss, is 'alignment within South African rugby'.

Does this mean a convergence of styles played around the country with a 'standard operating procedure' relating to player conditioning and training.

I know Brendon Venter is facilitating the pow-wow, but as TRF Heineken points out, John Mitchell, Nick Mallett, John Plumtree and Heyneke Meyer should also be there. I'd include Naas Botha. I know he's not a coach, but I think his understanding of the game and what's required to help South African rugby, ergo Springbok rugby back on track, makes him a demigod in rugby circles.

I just hope they speak frankly and are able to present a unanimous workable solution to SARU... and most importantly that SARU actually listen to them..

Well we don't really know who else will attend this indaba yet. according to this article: http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/venter-to-lead-coaching-sa-coaching-indaba-20161011

[TEXTAREA]CEOs and coaching staff of all six South African Super Rugby franchises have been invited to attend the two-day event in conjunction with Springbok coaching staff and former Springbok coaches and players.[/TEXTAREA]

Seems like John Mitchell won't be there, but Mallett and HM will be there...

 

[Sailor Pete]

...former Springbok coaches and players.

Bugger! Does that include Peter de Villiers and Rudolf Straeuli..?

 

[TRF_heineken]

...former Springbok coaches and players.

Bugger! Does that include Peter de Villiers and Rudolf Straeuli..?

Most probably... Also Harry Viljoen.

I'm interested in seeing who of the old players will be there. Hopefully a guy like Corne Krige will go and tell things as it is, as he's not one to shy away from how he really feels.

 

[Sker]

"Hou op so p##skak speel" - Corne Krige

 

[TRF_heineken]

"Hou op so p##skak speel" - Corne Krige

Daai gaan die intreelied wees... Gesing deur - 2007 Wereld Beker wenspan en ou Springbok kapteine.

 

[Sker]

http://www.bdlive.co.za/sport/rugby/2016/10/12/duane-vermeulen-lashes-out-at-sa-rugby

Lekker Duane!

 

[TheOvalBall]

Is Duane gerook deur Mbulula daar te wil he ? Hy's juis die probleem.

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http://www.bdlive.co.za/sport/rugby/2016/10/12/duane-vermeulen-lashes-out-at-sa-rugby

Lekker Duane!

Link works here:
http://sh.st/33cIC

 

[TRF_heineken]

Is Duane gerook deur Mbulula daar te wil he ? Hy's juis die probleem.

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Link works here:
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/vermeulen-fed-up-with-state-of-sa-rugby-20161012

Perhaps we should keep this thread in english guys...

Yeah I don't Mbalula there, he's part of the reason why we are in this mess. And also, what possible good will he be at the indaba. he knows nothing about rugby!!

Or will he just be there to sing Robbie Wessels song about him "Bokke gaan moer hulle, Bokke gaan Bliksem hulle".

 

[Sotavalta]

The only reason I can think of why someone would want Mbalula there is to force him to listen to everyone at the indaba. If he actually listened to the logical reasoning of some of the people at the indaba, he might pull his head out of his own ***.

But all this is wishful thinking and I can't see him ever changing.

 

[Sker]

Whenever I see his smug c##ty face I want to strangle puppies

 

[TRF_heineken]

Well according to this facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Springboks-Insiders-Pics-2014-154295581269344/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

Business Day's article on Duane Vermeulen states that Duane was criticizing the Sports Minister too and that the problem is at the top, as in the ministry and SARU.

But seems like the BD's article was removed, and now Sport24 has a watered down article not mentioning everything Duane said.

 

[Jan1]

Mallet should have led the indaba and not venter. Venter an AC is "groot tjomies" as he said on supersport the other day.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

My only hope from this Indaba is that our coaching personnel get some clues. The good thing from Paul Treu and Mzwandile Stick attending this is that it should double their collective coaching experience. Treu went from 7s coach to XV's a side without anything in between and how much could Stick have learnt from 1 year as backline coach of the broke Kings?

The thing is though those two should never have been appointed in the first place. Talk about being thrown in at the deep end. But all in the name of BEE I suppose.

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Mallet should have led the indaba and not venter. Venter an AC is "groot tjomies" as he said on supersport the other day.

Agreed. As much as I believe Venter is an intelligent chap he is an unstable personality or at least overly emotional from what I've seen from him. Not what you want from someone who has to lead an indaba.

 

[TheOvalBall]

I don't understand how Brendan Venter is all of a sudden a coaching expert.

 

[unrated]

I don't understand how Brendan Venter is all of a sudden a coaching expert.

Venter is a very good coach. Probably one of the best from South Africa. But its his ability to create a professional environment that is beneficial to the players and the team that he is renowned for.
He is a guy who will know what structures to put in place to be succesfull and he has extensive knowledge of the structures of rugby clubs in other countries.

 

[WaterboySA]

I don't understand how Brendan Venter is all of a sudden a coaching expert.

I agree. What has he done in coaching? It's a big joke.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Venter is a very good coach. Probably one of the best from South Africa. But its his ability to create a professional environment that is beneficial to the players and the team that he is renowned for.
He is a guy who will know what structures to put in place to be succesfull and he has extensive knowledge of the structures of rugby clubs in other countries.

True, but I don't think we need a coach to run this indaba. We need a facilitator. Something like an HR expert.

Venter and the other coaches will be only one side of the group participating. Administrators will be the other part, and then players and ex-players the other part.

 

[TheOvalBall]

Venter is a very good coach. Probably one of the best from South Africa. But its his ability to create a professional environment that is beneficial to the players and the team that he is renowned for.
He is a guy who will know what structures to put in place to be succesfull and he has extensive knowledge of the structures of rugby clubs in other countries.

I have no doubt he has some coaching ability, but he is nowhere near the level that Nick Mallett is. Nick should be running the show, or in part be a very important figure at the meeting to drive things forward.

 

[Sotavalta]

Just read on Sport 24 that Heyneke was not invited to the indaba. Also Nick Mallet and Andre Markgraaff declined the invitations.

Link: http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/heyneke-not-invited-to-coaching-indaba-20161014

 

[TheOvalBall]

Just read on Sport 24 that Heyneke was not invited to the indaba. Also Nick Mallet and Andre Markgraaff declined the invitations.

Link: http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/heyneke-not-invited-to-coaching-indaba-20161014

Can safely say then that nothing good will come out of it.

 

[Ospervat]

Just read on Sport 24 that Heyneke was not invited to the indaba. Also Nick Mallet and Andre Markgraaff declined the invitations.

Link: http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/RugbyChampionship/heyneke-not-invited-to-coaching-indaba-20161014

If Malett & Markgraaff say there's no point in holding a coaching Indaba and that coaching is at the bottom of the list of things that need attention then I would suggest they too have failed the Bok faithful - for goodness sake put your selfish pride to one side and act in the best interests of SA Rugby - whether you agree with it or not. There is nothing to be gained by not participating in the Indaba.

I wouldn't disagree that there are fundamental flaws in the structure and they need to be addressed with a different approach but the 1000 mile journey starts with the first step - if the offer of co-operation is extended then give it a chance - don't just shoot the opportunity to make a difference down without at least an effort.

If this is their final position on the matter then I believe they should refrain from expressing any further opinion on the state of SA Rugby in the media. They had their chance to make a difference however small and they chose to squander it.