• Help Support The Rugby Forum :

Scotland vs Argentina - 16/11/25

Compare game management of the Scotland fly half this weekend ("the best 10 in the world", in Scotland) , with the game management of the England fly half.

Also kudos to the Pumas. They really can beat *anyone*.
People might say that of Scotland as well, but by "anyone" they usually mean "England".
 
Weird question: how safe would it be to walk around in downtown Edinburgh with an Arg jersey? I'd feel rather safe in Dublin, Cardiff and London, but i've never done so in Scotland.
The thing is, you taking an angry and completely polar opposite view just makes this a black and white argument. It's not. I think the reality is kind of both … Argentina radically improved in the second half AND Scotland imploded.
Not sure i am doing that. I was looking at the facts and trying to to see if the conclusion resonates with those facts. Maybe i wasnt clear. Let me try to rephase it:

Say we have 3 tiers of players. We started several 3rd tier (our FH comes to mind), benched several 1st tier (Matera, Carreras, etc) and got a YC at minute 5. Scotland fielded their best from minute 0. Those are facts. So yes, we were on our back foot for most of the 1H and our defense wasnt up to the task. We could argue whether or not we could have done better or not with those resources (Contepomi's face suggested he was not happy!), but i sincerely think it's reasonable for us to assume that the momentum would change once we both teams used their benches. Ours would be an upside and Scotland a downside.
I am willing to concede that the extent of the comeback was probably bigger than what I expected, but i wouldnt say Scotland capitulated. They just downgraded their players with their subs. Add fatigue (we made 8 changes to Scotland's 5) and a YC and you've got something. And regarding the point difference, it was big sure. But we missed how many kicks (that we generally wouldn't)?
 
Also kudos to the Pumas. They really can beat *anyone*.
People might say that of Scotland as well, but by "anyone" they usually mean "England".
Styles make fights, and England's style tends to counter us quite effectively. Not saying this with a smile on my face, believe me. And it's not just how good/bad they/we were/are at the moment.
 
Weird question: how safe would it be to walk around in downtown Edinburgh with an Arg jersey? I'd feel rather safe in Dublin, Cardiff and London, but i've never done so in Scotland.
Very
There really isn't any level of animosity, to that level, in rugby fandom - the worst you could wear is an England jersey but even then: completely safe, at worst you might get the stink eye
 
Didn’t see the game, but that’s shocking from Scotland.

Townsend’s Scotland feel like they’re missing the top 2 inches. Perennially flatter to deceive and you’ve got to think he’s taken them as far as he can.

He’s 4/5 v Aus, 0/4 v Boks and 0/3 v ABs.

Hasn’t got out of the group in 2 RWCs although 23 was a group of death.

6N record: 2x3rd, 5x4th and 1x5th.
 
Didn't see the game, but that's shocking from Scotland.

Townsend's Scotland feel like they're missing the top 2 inches. Perennially flatter to deceive and you've got to think he's taken them as far as he can.

He's 4/5 v Aus, 0/4 v Boks and 0/3 v ABs.

Hasn't got out of the group in 2 RWCs although 23 was a group of death.

6N record: 2x3rd, 5x4th and 1x5th.
What are the equivalent stats for Scotland this century?
 
Didn't see the game, but that's shocking from Scotland.

Townsend's Scotland feel like they're missing the top 2 inches. Perennially flatter to deceive and you've got to think he's taken them as far as he can.

He's 4/5 v Aus, 0/4 v Boks and 0/3 v ABs.

Hasn't got out of the group in 2 RWCs although 23 was a group of death.

6N record: 2x3rd, 5x4th and 1x5th.

To be fair im willing to bet those stats are much better than the decade before townsend.

Teams like Scotland have a ceiling, only 2 clubs, small player pool, limited finances and culture lends itself to football over rugby. How do they realistically compete with powerhouses like England and France?

Theyve done well to recruit, and find top talent from around the world to supllement the squad, similar to Ireland.

They probably should have competed for 6N title by now, i know they won 5N in 99, which was a RWC year and experimental squads, but i honestly think Townsend isnt the problem, its player quality.

Wales are in the beginings of a 25 year period that will hopefully be on par with Scotlands 2000s, and have all the same problems, especially if they follow the 2 club strategy and decide they are minnows.

Scotland should progress from the groups next RWC, 2nd tier, expanded tournament, and then re adress on their future post Townsend, but i really have respect for him, I think hes a top quality coach!
 
FTR

I dont think Contepomi gets as much credit as he deserves, he consistently problem solved mid game and finds ways to win, especially when things arent going well.

I think had he sat there cool as a cucumber yesterday, all the plaudits would be on him as opposed to Carreras, but because he wears his heart on his sleeve, head in hands, punches walls etc he isnt considered a mastermind, which i think he is!
 
What are the equivalent stats for Scotland this century?

Finished 4th in the 2 6N pre Townsend although the record was lamentable before that.

Qualified for QFs in 3 of the 4 RWCs.

Beat the Boks and Aus twice each.

I’m not expecting them to be consistent world beaters, but it does feel to me that Townsend’s taken them as far as he can. 8 years is a long time with the same voice and the absence of many discernable highs - unless beating England is all that matters.
 
Finished 4th in the 2 6N pre Townsend although the record was lamentable before that.

Qualified for QFs in 3 of the 4 RWCs.

Beat the Boks and Aus twice each.

I'm not expecting them to be consistent world beaters, but it does feel to me that Townsend's taken them as far as he can. 8 years is a long time with the same voice and the absence of many discernable highs - unless beating England is all that matters.

I mean...

Wales could finish with a wooden spoon, and 1 win, but if its the right win then...
 
Didn't see the game, but that's shocking from Scotland.

Townsend's Scotland feel like they're missing the top 2 inches. Perennially flatter to deceive and you've got to think he's taken them as far as he can.

He's 4/5 v Aus, 0/4 v Boks and 0/3 v ABs.

Hasn't got out of the group in 2 RWCs although 23 was a group of death.

6N record: 2x3rd, 5x4th and 1x5th.
0/10 against Ireland. Scotland are often overvalued but with decent direction there's not a team in the world that they shouldn't be beating at all when they average more than one game a year with them imo. Townsend would have been gone awhile in a more ambitious set up.
 

Latest posts

Sponsored
UnlistMe
Back
Top