The refereeing of the 2010 Tri Nations

[Draco]

I am new here but I have registered to say what I need to, so here goes, the last game the springboks was the best team, the ref did cause the upset, apart from the other mistakes he did not "see" this cost South Africa the game, now you could argue but there was another try afterwords that would have done it....well....you have a hell of an emagination to think if the forward pass was adressed that the rest of the game would have gone the same route....

All and well, the springboks did not have a good tri nations....but this game they did play good and did not deserve to be out done buy slopposh reffing, plenty of mistakes was made in preveous matches, but the springboks was not good enough, this time they were....

My point of view....any ref in any game that make these "mistakes" must be fined a portion of their game pay, if a ref has the nack of generally making mistakes he has to be removed from international reffing untill such time he is in better form.

To the point, don't give me statistics you sucked out somewhere, watch the game, not from the supporting view of your team, look at the way the ref blew the games in the tri nations this year....it has never been so weak....it is an insult to the game and the players....

 

[nickdnz]

I am new here but I have registered to say what I need to, so here goes, the last game the springboks was the best team, the ref did cause the upset, apart from the other mistakes he did not "see" this cost South Africa the game, now you could argue but there was another try afterwords that would have done it....well....you have a hell of an emagination to think if the forward pass was adressed that the rest of the game would have gone the same route....

All and well, the springboks did not have a good tri nations....but this game they did play good and did not deserve to be out done buy slopposh reffing, plenty of mistakes was made in preveous matches, but the springboks was not good enough, this time they were....

My point of view....any ref in any game that make these "mistakes" must be fined a portion of their game pay, if a ref has the nack of generally making mistakes he has to be removed from international reffing untill such time he is in better form.

To the point, don't give me statistics you sucked out somewhere, watch the game, not from the supporting view of your team, look at the way the ref blew the games in the tri nations this year....it has never been so weak....it is an insult to the game and the players....

You offer a compelling and insightful argument there. I love the highlighted bit, it sucks when facts disrupt your argument.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you thought last years Tri Nations was reffed well. I wonder what the difference is between this year and last year.

 

[Draco]

You offer a compelling and insightful argument there. I love the highlighted bit, it sucks when facts disrupt your argument.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you thought last years Tri Nations was reffed well. I wonder what the difference is between this year and last year.

Facts according to whom.....

I will not presume to remember how last years TN was reffed, this year the TN was braught to it's knees by bad reffing, more and more mistakes seems to creep into the game, admit it or not, what you see on the field does not lie....

 

[Teh Mite]

The ref wasn't that bad. If a decision goes against you and you lose the game, the ref is always the first to get blamed (hell, I even do it myself).

Think about all the bleating Kiwis regarding Wayne Barnes in '07. Not one of them yet has admitted there was a forward pass involved in Luke McAlistairs try, yet they're happy to moan about Michelak. It's just the way it goes.

You win some, you lose some.*


*Unless it's a stinking TMO at Wembley blatantly ignoring every piece of evedence in front of him because he took a bung. I'm not bitter...

 

[Hurricane Nate]

I am new here but I have registered to say what I need to, so here goes, the last game the springboks was the best team, the ref did cause the upset, apart from the other mistakes he did not "see" this cost South Africa the game, now you could argue but there was another try afterwords that would have done it....well....you have a hell of an emagination to think if the forward pass was adressed that the rest of the game would have gone the same route....

All and well, the springboks did not have a good tri nations....but this game they did play good and did not deserve to be out done buy slopposh reffing, plenty of mistakes was made in preveous matches, but the springboks was not good enough, this time they were....

My point of view....any ref in any game that make these "mistakes" must be fined a portion of their game pay, if a ref has the nack of generally making mistakes he has to be removed from international reffing untill such time he is in better form.

To the point, don't give me statistics you sucked out somewhere, watch the game, not from the supporting view of your team, look at the way the ref blew the games in the tri nations this year....it has never been so weak....it is an insult to the game and the players....

I don't think the Bok's were upset at all with the way they have been playing lately. Thought the ref did alright but he did miss a few things. It's called being human. As for the foward pass at the end that led to the McCaw try, the AB's were gonna score eventually. Bok's were out on their feet and the ABs knew it so I don't see that as the game defining moment. Refeering this tri-nations has been over ok considering the new rule changes. The balls in play alot more and is alot faster so the ref's bound to miss some things. Let's just admit the AB's were too good, the rules suit their play and that the Bok's whilst aggressive and passionate still rely too heavily on their kicking game and are too unfit.

 

[squirrel]

forward passes dont worry me so much,the forward pass wasnt the reason why they scored, but i thought the one on van der mewe was harsh the had line break as well

 

[squirrel]

but mccaw slowin g down the ball on his goal line when the boks had a massive overlap is something i cant understand the ref not doing anything about

 

[woodward]

such whinging from Bok supporters, almost all of them. From memory at the time of the first game there wasn't much but it gradually grew as some kind of mass hysteria. Funny that its just a broad "getting away with murder" at the breakdown hardly anything solid just a few cards which have been all over the place anyway

 

[woodward]

The ref wasn't that bad. If a decision goes against you and you lose the game, the ref is always the first to get blamed (hell, I even do it myself).

Think about all the bleating Kiwis regarding Wayne Barnes in '07. Not one of them yet has admitted there was a forward pass involved in Luke McAlistairs try, yet they're happy to moan about Michelak. It's just the way it goes.

You win some, you lose some.*


*Unless it's a stinking TMO at Wembley blatantly ignoring every piece of evedence in front of him because he took a bung. I'm not bitter...

Are you talking about the one McAlister took to break the line? I suggest you look again it went backwards, not even flat.

 

[smartcooky]

You offer a compelling and insightful argument there. I love the highlighted bit, it sucks when facts disrupt your argument.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you thought last years Tri Nations was reffed well. I wonder what the difference is between this year and last year.

nick

I suspect we'll soon be beset by a flurry of bleating green sheep.... baaa aaa aaa aaa!

 

[Sparty]

I don't think the Bok's were upset at all with the way they have been playing lately. Thought the ref did alright but he did miss a few things. It's called being human. As for the foward pass at the end that led to the McCaw try, the AB's were gonna score eventually. Bok's were out on their feet and the ABs knew it so I don't see that as the game defining moment. Refeering this tri-nations has been over ok considering the new rule changes. The balls in play alot more and is alot faster so the ref's bound to miss some things. Let's just admit the AB's were too good, the rules suit their play and that the Bok's whilst aggressive and passionate still rely too heavily on their kicking game and are too unfit.

Actually the ref did not miss that pass , the touch judge did. While we can argue that some decision went against us it was the same for teh ABS. Yes the ref missed a couple of things but thats life , for once we cannot complain about the ref. We were outplayed in the last quarter when our fitness came into question. The abs sensed this and were patient. I for one said last week that we are fortunate to see living legends plays this game and in Mccaw they dont come any bigger. To my NZ fellow supporters , congrats once again , please accept my apologies for any unwarranted whining from SA supporters , we all know what transpired and who deserved that win.

Now just to add (seeing that there always is something to add lol) the citing commission seems a bit out of it this season , I wonder how come your props shoulder on Juan De Joghn went unpunished ? Certainly it was exactly the same if not worse that what Bakkies did against the Lions and then Mccaw's slap on Burger after Burger stupidly threw the ball away ?

Now note that I dont agree that either warrants a citing or warning , just interesting that no -one says anything about it as its the same if not worse transgressions that the Boks did to which there was many one eyed ABS supporters calling for Bans on the transgressors !! Its a tough game and I accept that little off the ball incidents happen , Think Danie Roussouw little jab on Mccaw ? How's that any worse than say Mccaw slap on Burger ?

But Jaa , next year we will turn around these results again , pity the ABS peaked so early once again

 

[Sam Owen]

pity the ABS peaked so early once again

Thank you Nostradamus:lol:.

 

[squirrel]

it wasnt stupid of burger to throw the ball away,it was springbok ball, but i dont think roussow's incident looked much different to what mccaw did but i guess i cant compare because we had different refs,mind you he was close to his eyes so burger could have done some soccer acting or even a mealamu by going up to a ref with some supposed teeth marks, then he could of got him binned and then old paddy obrien would have went to the abs hotel room to give graham henry a blowjob and say sorry

 

[Sam Owen]

it wasnt stupid of burger to throw the ball away,it was springbok ball, but i dont think roussow's incident looked much different to what mccaw did but i guess i cant compare because we had different refs,mind you he was close to his eyes so burger could have done some soccer acting or even a mealamu by going up to a ref with some supposed teeth marks, then he could of got him binned and then old paddy obrien would have went to the abs hotel room to give graham henry a blowjob and say sorry

WOOH!!! LOL..this proves hatred for the All Blacks lives here at TRF.

 

[FlukeArtist]

Hang on Sparty....

You have just said not to worry about all the whinging from SA fans, BUT on page 3 you are saying how SA don't get referreed the same way etc, (in short; intimating that International Rugby is not a level playing field and the Boks are essentially having to play "uphill" against the other teams).

Which is it? because from reading those earlier posts, they smack very much of whinging about a supposed conspiracy theory against SA. Which, lets face it; is just madness.

 

[BRSTLDRGN]

it wasnt stupid of burger to throw the ball away,it was springbok ball, but i dont think roussow's incident looked much different to what mccaw did but i guess i cant compare because we had different refs,mind you he was close to his eyes so burger could have done some soccer acting or even a mealamu by going up to a ref with some supposed teeth marks, then he could of got him binned and then old paddy obrien would have went to the abs hotel room to give graham henry a blowjob and say sorry

WOOH!!! LOL..this proves hatred for the All Blacks lives here at TRF.

And total pillocks

 

[Sam Owen]

The referees so far in Rugby Union and League have come under some scrutiny this year so far. Obviously we've discussed it, argued it here on TRF the tri-nations reffs in particular. We have to remember they are human and just like a player knocking the ball on they make mistakes. However in the ITM cup there has been some really bad ones for example...a player took a ball out, the touchie signals hes out late, he then throws it in and the reff overides the touchies flag saying 'just carry on' and so they do. Another one was last week was by a lock who lost the ball before the line and he did the facepalm but then the reff comes and awards the try. In the NRL a very experienced reff who was once regarded the best in the bizzo was sacked after he awarded a try to Mark Gasnier of the St.George Dragons a try that was clearly a knock on. Poor reffs they do their best but they will NEVER EVER be good enough for everyone.

 

[Shaggy]

It seems that Alain Roland has been named as the referee for the Wallabies test, and that Peter De Villiers has changed his opinion of him

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/TriNations/Div-gives-Rolland-the-nod-20100823

 

[smartcooky]

it wasnt stupid of burger to throw the ball away,it was springbok ball,

He didn't know that, and if he did, why would he throw it away, instead of trying to hold onto it.

Throwing it away tells me that he either thought it was All Black ball, or he didn't know and was throwing it away in case.

Besides, it doesn't matter whether it was Bok or AB ball.

10.2 UNFAIR PLAY
(b) Time-wasting. A player must not intentionally waste time.
Sanction: Free Kick

Throwing the ball away still wastes time.

burger could have done some soccer acting or even a mealamu by going up to a ref with some supposed teeth marks, then he could of got him binned and then old paddy obrien would have went to the abs hotel room to give graham henry a blowjob and say sorry

This passage is entirely inappropriate to this forum.

 

[Sparty]

Hang on Sparty....

You have just said not to worry about all the whinging from SA fans, BUT on page 3 you are saying how SA don't get referreed the same way etc, (in short; intimating that International Rugby is not a level playing field and the Boks are essentially having to play "uphill" against the other teams).

Which is it? because from reading those earlier posts, they smack very much of whinging about a supposed conspiracy theory against SA. Which, lets face it; is just madness.

Hiya Fluke , I agreed that the reffing in previous games as well as the citing was one sided but in the last game the ref was at least consistent albeit a little poor. The ABS players coming in offside was dealt with similar the Boks players , sure he missed some things but he did it both ways so we cannot complain. I find it interesting that the forward pass was missed by our favorite ref Mr Rolland.

It was not whining instead it was concern from a genuine frustrated SA fan. You just have to watch the highlights of the transgressions to see how the ABS players blatantly kill the ball or take out players. There was for instance one game that Mccaw was warned 5 times in the rick and maul situation which is absurd. So jaa , call it whining from our coach or whatever you like , it worked cos the Ref was a lot stricter and fair in the last game.