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Sam Owen
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Do you feel squirrel that Paddy O'Brien who wasnt refereeing the game should apologise?...I dont think in all honesty that McCaw tried to attack Burgers eyes, he was trying to get the ball and to solidify this Burger did not make any complaint of an eye-gouge, even the crowd did not react to this.
Sparty
Academy Player
'He was ? How sure are you ? I am pretty sure it was Rolland but if I am wrong apologies , still dont it it any better , howcome the touch judge was not cautioned ? SA refs are ? I am yet to see anyone say anything about the shoulder charge and Mccaw's attack on Burger ? I suppose the easy cop out is just shouting whine whine whine , no problems , I expected this.
Sparty
Academy Player
No matter buddy , I dont think the ref should apologies either but he set a precedent when he did so for the ABS against the Irish (I think). Also why no action against the touch judge who missed the blatant forward pass that in the end changed the game. You see standards were set and we all shouted petty except a few Kiwi and Aussies , now the shoes is on the other foot and we are whining.
Sparty
Academy Player
Dont reply then , Dont reply then , Dont reply then , Dont reply then ,Dont reply then
Set a standard of what? What a vague statement.
I've yet to read anywhere that he visited the AB's or chatted to them in any way which gave them an advantage.
Sam Owen
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I think if you went and asked Burger yourself he'd probably laugh or not remember it.
McCaw's hands were definitely not going for Burgers eyes, he looked annoyed that Burger had thrown the ball away (which is a delaying cheating tactic, but let's not mention that squirrel) and gave him a shove near the top of his head. It was a bit of push and shove. Which is wrong, yes, but every player does that kind of push and shove.
If he went for the eyes squirrel, then the current internet term for unproven allegations applies, "Proof, or it didn't happen".
There's heaps of video out there of the game, go for it. Show us the famous eye-attack! :lol:
Sam Owen
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The fact is no kiwis have reffed any of the All Blacks games, we all know that as fact. So that means no kiwi has anything to do with the refereeing right??...So who made the mistakes that we are discussing?....non-kiwi reffs right. As far as I know the mistakes that you's are not happy with are from a few very good european reffs and a very good South African reff. Notice how there is no kiwi reffs or Paddy O'Brien on the field. Ok then move along :lol:.
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Roussow incident? This must be several pages of petty squabbling back, as I'm not sure what this particular argument fragment is about.
The All Blacks fans can bleat about last year and how we could've won two of those games had things gone another way. South African fans can do the same about this year, but really what a waste of time. It cheapens last years series, and now it's cheapening this one, for both teams.
I bet not one springbok player is sad enough to be sitting around moping about any of this, they'll be getting on with their lives and some of them probably had beers with the very same evil All Blacks you can't move on from.
ShaheenJ
Academy Player
You could not have said this any better. Last year belonged to the Boks, this year to the All Blacks. We were not up to scratch this season. You will get decisions against and for you. Yes Rolland had a shocker and we didn't get the 50/50's. But because we're losing and those decisions go heavily against us, it seems that the entire rugby universe has it in for the Boks. Unfair this, unfair that, conspiracy this conspiracy that. I'm tired of it all. Of course I'm gutted with all the losses, but we move on. Get the loss (or in this case streak) out of the system and start building again. Only we can rectify the situation not the ref, nor the IRB nor Richie's perceived cheating (tongue in cheek). Fellow Bok supporters grow a pair and get on with it. Our players are doing that, so why shouldn't we?
Sparty
Academy Player
Did O' brien not visit the ABS in their hotel room last year to apologies for Stuat Dickensons reffing in the ABS - Italy game. I remember his absolute scathing attack on Stuat Dick. This year we had a SA ref dropped for flagging Aussie Winger Mitchel for a shoulder charge but surprisingly Kaplon escaped any censorship for missing Tony Woodcock's thuggery on the Aussie Hooker , Woodcock also not surprisingly missed being cited. Lastly we had the w\ends game where Paddy and co seemed to forget the utter k@k standards they set and allowed Mccaw (facial attack on Burger) and Franks ( shoulder charge into Juan De Jongh ) to escape scott free , imagine that. At least he said that the pass was forward , but I wonder how come he did not feel the need to also apologise to SA ? He set that k@k standard.
And I am yet to see anyone say anything about the 2 fouls here on TRF but be that as it may all is over , karma is a BIT** and next year is the knock outs (if u make it ) when u lose dont feel too bad lol
Sparty
Academy Player
McCaw's hands were definitely not going for Burgers eyes, he looked annoyed that Burger had thrown the ball away (which is a delaying cheating tactic, but let's not mention that squirrel) and gave him a shove near the top of his head. It was a bit of push and shove. Which is wrong, yes, but every player does that kind of push and shove.
If he went for the eyes squirrel, then the current internet term for unproven allegations applies, "Proof, or it didn't happen".
There's heaps of video out there of the game, go for it. Show us the famous eye-attack! :lol:
It was a nothing but please dont even think of calling Burger a cheat and make it like Mccaw is a angel. I said so at the time that Burger was silly. As for everyone does that kind of shove I say sure , but howcome Burger is a thug when he does it but Mccaw is not ? For the record , I believe both players are NOT thugs and fine rugby players and gentlemen.I even met them both and was in awe of how humble a guy like Mccaw is.
Schalk Burger also one day stopped traffic so that I could take a pic of me with him in a parking lot on Cape Town , true story.
Shaggy
First XV
yes, you're are right about the Dickinson incident ... was his Refereeing consistently below par in the match against Italy ... did the same Paddy O'Brien not advocate the use of technology in this last match to eliminate mistakes like the forward pass preceding the McCaw try ... seems as if your damned if you do do something, and damned if you don't
Yes, refs and assistants are human and they miss stuff like the forward pass, but please don't insinuate that it always goes against the boks or for the All Blacks ... those same guys missed the Boks lazy runners leading up to the same try.
Maybe Franks and McCaw should go to the judiciary, although i'm not sure that you'd get the result you're looking for in the McCaw case (i'd have to view the shoulder charge to have an opinion on that)
As for karma/when the AB's get knocked out of the cup, I guess i'll cope at least as well as if it happens to your team ... i've watched all of the tournament, so if I haven't learn't to live with disappointment by now, I never will.
... it will be ok with you if I celebrate on the off chance we win though, right
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yeah man were not blaming the ref for defeat, not once have we said it but people trying to take a moral highground keep drawing that conclusion, my point is the consisitency of punishments being given out and some players being labelled thugs while another does the same thing but people say nothing and just say the same old blame the ref you sore loser
and as i keep saying im not south african
and as i keep saying im not south african
Sam Owen
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Yeah I see what you mean but for me McCaws supposed eye-gouge was McCaw making an attempt to get the ball that happened to be around about Burger's face when he made an attempt for it. Also Burger did not retaliate then again neither did Pocock when he was obviously gouged and the crowd who were right there didnt react to it. McCaw might push the boundaries in things Rugby but dirty things that aint Rugby is not McCaw as far as I know, he certainly doesnt have a history like most repeat offenders. I hope we can get some video footage uploaded to settle this, I think it was a nothing but Im not 100% sure so you might be right squirrel.
I know your not South African you already told us your Australian.
McCaw's hands were definitely not going for Burgers eyes, he looked annoyed that Burger had thrown the ball away (which is a delaying cheating tactic, but let's not mention that squirrel) and gave him a shove near the top of his head. It was a bit of push and shove. Which is wrong, yes, but every player does that kind of push and shove.
If he went for the eyes squirrel, then the current internet term for unproven allegations applies, "Proof, or it didn't happen".
There's heaps of video out there of the game, go for it. Show us the famous eye-attack! :lol:
I too believe it was a nothing incident but I want to point out it was actually the Boks ball, it came off an All Black player, and McCaw still went for it. Not sure why Burger threw it away. Maybe to avoid confrontation?
Sparty
Academy Player
yes, you're are right about the Dickinson incident ... was his Refereeing consistently below par in the match against Italy ... did the same Paddy O'Brien not advocate the use of technology in this last match to eliminate mistakes like the forward pass preceding the McCaw try ... seems as if your damned if you do do something, and damned if you don't
Yes, refs and assistants are human and they miss stuff like the forward pass, but please don't insinuate that it always goes against the boks or for the All Blacks ... those same guys missed the Boks lazy runners leading up to the same try.
Maybe Franks and McCaw should go to the judiciary, although i'm not sure that you'd get the result you're looking for in the McCaw case (i'd have to view the shoulder charge to have an opinion on that)
As for karma/when the AB's get knocked out of the cup, I guess i'll cope at least as well as if it happens to your team ... i've watched all of the tournament, so if I haven't learn't to live with disappointment by now, I never will.
... it will be ok with you if I celebrate on the off chance we win though, right
To be honest I dont think either warrants a citing or card , at best a penalty for Franks and a chat to Mccaw in the game, I just ask the same courtesy for a guy like Burger , he accepted it and walked away.
As for the WC I am divided as to whom I want to win , long being an advocate of total rugby and running rugby I often say that one cannot help but admire the ABS playing rugby, fact is up until 95 I too like the majority of my friends and family supported the All Blacks. So off course I would love nothing more than watch the Boks take the cup but if it was the ABS then I would be happy as well , They owe it to themselves. We won the dam thing twice and while NZ did win in 87 many Kiwi supporters tell me it does not count (well the cape town ones anyway) unless the Boks are in it.
So yes its will be more than ok with me if the ABS win , a team cannot be that dominant in a sport and yet the WC alludes them. It would fitting for this team to take the CUP , they would deserve it.
Shaggy
First XV
All far enough comments (except maybe the 87 one not counting lol) ... I might have to make the springboks the second team I support if you keep posting like that
Shaggy
First XV
yep, I like the 95% but would like the world cup included in it for a change :0
Sam Owen
First XV
What??...lol never thought I'd hear AB fans say something like that. The world doesnt wait for no-one to sort themselves out and that was the case in 1987.
