What's interesting to me is that it's all players that plays in the NH. It paints a picture of the difference of the SH players. If they play in SH, they play for passion and pride of their nation, if they play NH, it's for the money.
I think it was reported he's on £300k at Gloucester (or was that Hibbard?)
Little surprised that Roberts is on there! Though I guess when he moved he had very high stock. Bet RM aren't happy with their investment :lol:
He's been in tremendous form for Wales this year. Do you even watch Racing Metro play?
What's interesting to me is that it's all players that plays in the NH. It paints a picture of the difference of the SH players. If they play in SH, they play for passion and pride of their nation, if they play NH, it's for the money.
Ditto, and I've read football reports.The biggest load of tosh i have read today.
He's been in tremendous form for Wales this year. Do you even watch Racing Metro play?
He's been outstanding for Wales, but not too sure he's lived up to his potential at Racing Metro! Can't say I've watched too many games, but seems like maybe the club isn;t the right fit for him.
Not sure how accurate this is? Money is obviously a factor, and a big one at that considering how short players' careers can be be these days! But as others have pointed out, there are a fair few of your countrymen managing to play NH rugby and represent SA with plenty of pride and passion!
Also since literally 90% is French league, doesn't mean the entirety of the NH!
What kind of money are the top players who play locally on? I know it probably wouldn't be near top 14 but roughly what salary are they on?
He's been in tremendous form for Wales this year. Do you even watch Racing Metro play?
Here we go again this time it's the Saffa theory, what amazes me is that you guys knows absolutely everything about the lives of the highest paid players who are obviously all in the TOP 14. these guys bring their wives /partners and children to a country where they can not speak the language know little about the culture and come purely for the money.
You have obviously never listened to interviews by these players, (we are not even going to mention why the foreign coaches are here)!!!!! where they give the real reasons why they are here, one of them being the TOP 14 is the toughest Championship in the world and they want to challenge themselves against the best, this is quoted by them not me!!!!!!!! No one never said the money was not important, but it is by far out weighed by other critera.the way of life, the medical system, training facilities, schooling for their kids the beaches and sea if you happen to play for a team in the south, the magic of Paris when there are no terrorists about!!!!, the diferent sports available for all the family, sking some of the best in the world,the water sports that are available, some of the best cuisine and wine in the world, the country side which is equal to anywhere else around the globe, hunting of all different types, not a load of people on horseback running after a rag with fox pooh on it!!!!!! If you are going to critise the French system do it intelligently and state with info why they are just coming for the money, state interviews where this has been said, not just, BURRR they are here for the money !!!!!!!! Ask yourself this why are people always moving to France especially the Brits and have been doing this for years, the answer you will probably here is............ THE LIFE STYLE!!!!!! I own a Gite and have had many South Africans coming here for all the above reasons!!!!! I know i will probably be dealt with harshly but i have broad shoulders, i also live in France, and have done for a long time, and know absolotely why these players do what they do, i speak to pro rugby players every week 2/3 times a week, interview said players, organise press interviews for these players, especially in Montpellier, so i do know just a little about this subject, but i do bow to your superior knowledge Sir Heinken, you have obviously lived in France been attached to a Pro French rugby club as if not you would never have made such a ridiculous statement.
JE SUIS CHARLIE.......
As in those that play in Wales? Can't say I've seen all that many exact figures, and no idea how the recent introductions of dual contracts between the regions and the WRU have changed things.
Basically the regions run a salary cap of £3.5 million, which isnt much compared to the £8.6 million for the Top 14 and £5 million in the Aviva Premiership (Lots of unconfirmed rumours that teams don't stick to it). The other Pro 12 sides don't run a cap as far as I know, and I definitely remember someone from the Ospreys set up stating that the Italian teams had more money to recruit players with than them.
I do know that Warburton's old contract with the Blues had him on £200,000 or so, which went up to £270,000 when he signed his central contract with the WRU.
As he is a Wales / Lions captain, can't imagine that there's anyone on significantly more than him in Wales.
On the other end of the spectrum, I do know that back when Cuthbert was helping Wales win the grandslam back in 2012, he was getting paid £5,000 a year by the Blues on a development contract, with an extra £14,000 subsidised by the Wales 7s programme.
Most of your quotes have been stated are against what i said in my thread, so if i am to believe what you say i am walking around town with my head up my arse, another fu***** kiwi who knows everything about nothing you really make me LAUGH you sit on your little island and throw abuse about another country you know absolutely nothing about, yes they come to earn money everybody everywhere does that, but other attractions are there, there are so many factors that make the decision easy, and the rugby is far better at club level we do not need Francises to produce world class club rugby AND WE PAY GOOD SALARIES but i think that you know this already, at least i have been to New Zealand, Australia, South Africa so i have experience, and as far as Germany Netherlands or any where else, do they have club rugby championships of World best standards like the TOP 14 I DONT THINK SO !!!!!!!!!!! If you read the thread you may (although i doubt it) realise that money was a factor but not the only factor you and many others are so blinded by this money situation maybe you should take your own head out of your arse and see what really is going on, it could be very educational for you but i have my doubts. HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I think LG what people find most farcical is that many French posters insist that money is not the primary reason behind a move - and it is instead the fact that France as a place to live is better and has the best competition. It simply ignores the largest factor, which is that players see France as a chance to make a huge amount of money during a limited career span. I absolutely understand their motivations and I can't hold it against anyone. For that matter I'm sure France is a great place to live (I intend to be living in Germany and traveling around France later this year). But the argument that people uproot their families and leave their national teams because they enjoy the lifestyle more than back home - from people I largely suspect haven't spent any time in those countries to make the favorable comparison, is just arrogance. The ***le of the thread is which players earn the most money - 9/10 are French. I think it would be unreasonable to suspect this wouldn't come up. French posters mention the education system - well in almost all studies including PISA NZ and Australia are ranked significantly higher than France. Both NZ and Australia have relatively free health care. NZ's and Australia's training facilities have produced many of the top players in the world which is why the are continually greater than France. Again, I just came back from Australia and their beaches are phenomenal, plenty of nice beaches in New Zealand. NZ has great skiing, the scenery around Australia and New Zealand is brilliant, which is why natural tourism is one of our largest industries. My point being - money is clearly the #1 factor behind players going over seas. I'm sure many players want to experience new cultures as well. But there is a reason that players aren't experiencing the cultures of Germany, Netherlands or anywhere else that isn't offering a tonne more money than they could earn back at home. Again I have NO problem with players going to play in the Top 14, I'm sure they enjoy the change of lifestyle etc, but you have to have a head very far up your own arse to not see that these players by in large are going where the money is.
Most of your quotes have been stated are against what i said in my thread, so if i am to believe what you say i am walking around town with my head up my arse, another fu***** kiwi who knows everything about nothing you really make me LAUGH you sit on your little island and throw abuse about another country you know absolutely nothing about, yes they come to earn money everybody everywhere does that, but other attractions are there, there are so many factors that make the decision easy, and the rugby is far better at club level we do not need Francises to produce world class club rugby AND WE PAY GOOD SALARIES but i think that you know this already, at least i have been to New Zealand, Australia, South Africa so i have experience, and as far as Germany Netherlands or any where else, do they have club rugby championships of World best standards like the TOP 14 I DONT THINK SO !!!!!!!!!!! If you read the thread you may (although i doubt it) realise that money was a factor but not the only factor you and many others are so blinded by this money situation maybe you should take your own head out of your arse and see what really is going on, it could be very educational for you but i have my doubts. HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3.5 mil salary cap!! That's way more than I expected that's well over 6 mil aussie dollars. Do the regions generally spend the 3.5?
Out of interest when you interview these players, I have to assume it's not for some kind of publication.
Out of interest when you interview these players, I have to assume it's not for some kind of publication. You're interminable to have to read. Where did I throw abuse at France? Quote me. I even mentioned I intended to visit France later this year. As I stated if you actually bothered to read my post - I said I'm sure there were more factors than money, it just happens to be the biggest factor .You haven't convinced me otherwise and nor have I stated that money being a big factor is a bad thing. I disagree that the Top 14 is a better quality of competition than Super Rugby. It's longer and has more money. That's about it. Much of it is turgid and away games are basically uncontested at times (and I watch plenty of it having followed Toulon, Bayonne, Clermont, Toulouse and before they were relegated Biarritz - depending whoever had players I was interested in, and what games were offered to stream).
Anyway, don't bother replying as I can't be bothered to read another terribly punctuated diatribe about how great France is.
I think LG what people find most farcical is that many French posters insist that money is not the primary reason behind a move - and it is instead the fact that France as a place to live is better and has the best competition. It simply ignores the largest factor, which is that players see France as a chance to make a huge amount of money during a limited career span. I absolutely understand their motivations and I can't hold it against anyone. For that matter I'm sure France is a great place to live (I intend to be living in Germany and traveling around France later this year). But the argument that people uproot their families and leave their national teams because they enjoy the lifestyle more than back home - from people I largely suspect haven't spent any time in those countries to make the favorable comparison, is just arrogance. The ***le of the thread is which players earn the most money - 9/10 are French. I think it would be unreasonable to suspect this wouldn't come up.
French posters mention the education system - well in almost all studies including PISA NZ and Australia are ranked significantly higher than France. Both NZ and Australia have relatively free health care. NZ's and Australia's training facilities have produced many of the top players in the world which is why the are continually greater than France. Again, I just came back from Australia and their beaches are phenomenal, plenty of nice beaches in New Zealand. NZ has great skiing, the scenery around Australia and New Zealand is brilliant, which is why natural tourism is one of our largest industries. My point being - money is clearly the #1 factor behind players going over seas. I'm sure many players want to experience new cultures as well. But there is a reason that players aren't experiencing the cultures of Germany, Netherlands or anywhere else that isn't offering a tonne more money than they could earn back at home. Again I have NO problem with players going to play in the Top 14, I'm sure they enjoy the change of lifestyle etc, but you have to have a head very far up your own arse to not see that these players by in large are going where the money is.
Again, I just came back from Australia and their beaches are phenomenal, plenty of nice beaches in New Zealand. NZ has great skiing, the scenery around Australia and New Zealand is brilliant, which is why natural tourism is one of our largest industries.
Seeing the world and enjoying an experience is massive i imagine. Look at the amount of Aussies, Saffas and Kiwis you see traveling the world. If they (obviously not Boks these days) could still play for the national team and play overseas you'd see massive numbers leaving, even if the pay wasn't that much more. Imo
That's true for a lot of people - especially the guys in their early 20s, but I don't imagine it's the case for players with families etc.