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Puppetry Uconn

Puppet Arts | UConn Dramatic Arts

The Puppet Arts Program aims to awaken artists and develop leaders in the field of puppetry and all aspects of the performing arts. With attention to histor ...

drama.uconn.edu

Uni Florida comics

Studying Comics

comics.english.ufl.edu

Uni of Oregan manga

Visual Narrative: Manga to American Comics | UO First-Year Programs

fyp.uoregon.edu

North Carolina costume technology

https://www.uncsa.edu/design-production/undergraduate-programs/costume-technology.aspx

Uni Texas Harry Styles

You can now study for a first-class degree in … Harry Styles. And why not? | Alex Clark

A Texas university is offering a course centred on the pop star. I studied Anglo-Saxon, so I’m all in favour of allegedly ‘useless’ qualifications

www.theguardian.com

Uni of Maine memeology

You Will Now Be Able to Major In Memes at UMPI | University Times

Carnage Mellon Bagpiping

World's First Bagpiping Degree Program Founded at CMU - CMU125 - Carnegie Mellon University

Carnegie Mellon is home to the world’s first bagpiping degree program. The program was established in 1991 by Jimmy McIntosh, a royal performer and composer from Broughty Ferry, Scotland.

www.cmu.edu

You'll have to forgive the links, I did a quick Google search to find evidence of ridiculous degrees offered and offering US children lifetime of debt to study.

It's strange though, I make a pretty left wing statement, that the capitalist nature of US universities prioritises economic growth over social cohesion, and the instinct is to call it out...

Does anyone disagree that US universities need overhaul, maybe to come in line with European equivalents, and have safeguards for its customers against the profit driven machine?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So none are Harvard and most are modules or areas of study, not courses (and even the courses actually do sound useful if you look into them - like Puppetry on the surface sounds funny, but.....it is a thing, and if you want to be involved in theatre it makes sense when you look at the breakdown of what is studied)


Essentially this:

 

[dirty harry]

So none are Harvard and most are modules or areas of study, not courses (and even the courses actually do sound useful if you look into them - like Puppetry on the surface sounds funny, but.....it is a thing, and if you want to be involved in theatre it makes sense when you look at the breakdown of what is studied)


Essentially this:
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I can't respond to this with a straight face, nitpicking the links because the degrees linked aren't studied in full degrees at Harvard and only shorter course, but actually Puppetry is usefull, and 40k worth of debt to an 18 year old at an interest rate between 7% and 10% is reasonable?

Is that really your stance?

My point is simple, Capitalistic nature's of US universities are predatory, they prioritise economic growth over social and educational cohesion, and need reform. I'd be flabbergasted if anyone disagreed with that stance!

 

[Ddanno]

So none are Harvard and most are modules or areas of study, not courses (and even the courses actually do sound useful if you look into them - like Puppetry on the surface sounds funny, but.....it is a thing, and if you want to be involved in theatre it makes sense when you look at the breakdown of what is studied)


Essentially this:
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Surely you don't mean...

LUDICROUS REPUBLICAN SOUNDBITES?!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

the degrees linked aren't studied in full degrees at Harvard

but when Harvard deliver degrees in

Which is it? They do or they don't?

 

[dirty harry]

Surely you don't mean...

LUDICROUS REPUBLICAN SOUNDBITES?!

That's tight, those anti Capitalist Republicans, remind me which ones are they?

 

[Welsh Exile]

So admit you were being sneaky/wrong in your wording saying Harvard are doing DEGREES in werewolves or whatever. You were either mistaken, lying or being tongue in cheek but what you said wasn't right.

 

[ncurd]

You know someone who was introduced to and studied puppetry as a module in University? Jim Henson

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Oh the old "universities offer mickey mouse degrees and are all useless" ******** from the inverse smuggery of people who thinks the average bricklayer understands the "real world" whilst some uni grad is just an indoctrinated moron with no capacity to think criticallly...

I can say pretty confidently in my experience, the people who dropped out of education early are often the ones with the lowest capacity to think critically, do research and who seek the simplest answers to complex problems.

Also I hate this attitude that a degree is useless unless it gives a financial benefit. So expanding the sum of human knowledge is now useless? How about we scrap any and all study of history then because, outside of producing media for people who want to learn about it, it has no financial benefit.

And there we go, the usual Dirty Harry ******** of laughing at everything, what a ******* sad individual.

 

[dirty harry]

So admit you were being sneaky/wrong in your wording saying Harvard are doing DEGREES in werewolves or whatever. You were either mistaken, lying or being tongue in cheek but what you said wasn't right.

Because I was making a broad point about the capitalistic nature of universities, the pettiness of attacking wording is rife on this this board, but it usually comes from a position of weakness in your argument, in which I know you all agree with my stance, you just dislike the person saying it. The same way you all defend universities because Trump is the one attacking them, I didn't see anyone comment on Joe Bidens attacks on universities, or Eric Adam's using police to batter protestors lol.

You can all be smart and honest enough to admit my stance is correct, I've made it quite clear, you don't have to pretend Republicans are anti capitalism, that the USA has a good non predatory system of education, or that it makes a difference if unethical degrees are offered specifically at Harvard, or at universities all over the country, when I make the claim talking about a broader subject. I don't know what useless degrees Harvard offer, because I didn't go looking, but I can if it makes you feel better, regardless of how that doesn't make a difference to my very clear point hahaha

Jeez, this is why you guys need an opposing view once in a while

 

[Welsh Exile]

Because I was making a broad point about the capitalistic nature of universities, the pettiness of attacking wording is rife on this this board, but it usually comes from a position of weakness in your argument, in which I know you all agree with my stance, you just dislike the person saying it. The same way you all defend universities because Trump is the one attacking them, I didn't see anyone comment on Joe Bidens attacks on universities, or Eric Adam's using police to batter protestors lol.

You can all be smart and honest enough to admit my stance is correct, I've made it quite clear, you don't have to pretend Republicans are anti capitalism, that the USA has a good non predatory system of education, or that it makes a difference if unethical degrees are offered specifically at Harvard, or at universities all over the country, when I make the claim talking about a broader subject. I don't know what useless degrees Harvard offer, because I didn't go looking, but I can if it makes you feel better, regardless of how that doesn't make a difference to my very clear point hahaha

Jeez, this is why you guys need an opposing view once in a while

You made a claim and it was wrong. That's it. What's this "unethical degree" stuff? Can you do courses in genocide or something? What a strange term. I don't really know what your broader point is to be honest I just pulled you up on your comment that Harvard are doing degrees in werewolves and what not. That was completely untrue.

 

[McTallshort]

Reminds me of that scene in Inbetweeners when they travel to Australia and find Jay working in a night club toilet

 

[Welsh Exile]

Oh the old "universities offer mickey mouse degrees and are all useless" ******** from the inverse smuggery of people who thinks the average bricklayer understands the "real world" whilst some uni grad is just an indoctrinated moron with no capacity to think criticallly...

I can say pretty confidently in my experience, the people who dropped out of education early are often the ones with the lowest capacity to think critically, do research and who seek the simplest answers to complex problems.

Also I hate this attitude that a degree is useless unless it gives a financial benefit. So expanding the sum of human knowledge is now useless? How about we scrap any and all study of history then because, outside of producing media for people who want to learn about it, it has no financial benefit.

And there we go, the usual Dirty Harry ******** of laughing at everything, what a ******* sad individual.

Exactly, might as well bin off Art. Stupid art. What has that ever done for the world hey. Humanities in general. Boring. Philosophy. Whatever mate. Pointless

 

[McTallshort]

Exactly, might as well bin off Art. Stupid art. What has that ever done for the world hey. Humanities in general. Boring. Philosophy. Whatever mate. Pointless

And obviously no life changing research gets done at universities either. It's all Micky mouse courses

 

[dirty harry]

You made a claim and it was wrong. That's it. What's this "unethical degree" stuff? Can you do courses in genocide or something? What a strange term. I don't really know what your broader point is to be honest I just pulled you up on your comment that Harvard are doing degrees in werewolves and what not. That was completely untrue.

My point has been very clear, I'll repost it for you to read again:

"I mean that's all great, but when Harvard deliver degrees in comics, puppetry, and vampire castles vs werewolves lairs, not to mention deconstructing the angry white male, there has to be a discussion on university ethics in education no?

I mean these course cost kids a lifetime of debt, not ethical debt, hardcore hundred thousand dollar I can't afford food this week debt!"

Let's say I concede I wrote degree instead of courses, Harvard run courses on these subjects of comics, white rage etc, but it's clearly in the context of Universities ethical behaviours towards students and the debt they occur.

Does it really matter that specifically Harvard doesn't run a puppetry or comic degree, when there are others who do, and where Harvard goes others follow? institutional isomorphism is a very important phenomenon in academia.

Trump pressures Columbia, Columbia folds and Dean's all over the country react to it with their decision making. We just saw that happen.

So put away your hatred for Trump, and need to prove me wrong, and respond to the essence of my point:

"Does anyone disagree that US universities need overhaul, maybe to come in line with European equivalents, and have safeguards for its customers against the profit driven machine?"

 

[dirty harry]

Don’t just blame Trump – Democrats paved the way for this campus crackdown | Musa al-Gharbi

Both parties are responsible for the mess facing Columbia and other institutions. It’s time for their leaders to take a stand

www.theguardian.com

This is a decent summation, for anyone who wants to learn a bit about the situation.

 

[Welsh Exile]

My point has been very clear, I'll repost it for you to read again:

"I mean that's all great, but when Harvard deliver degrees in comics, puppetry, and vampire castles vs werewolves lairs, not to mention deconstructing the angry white male, there has to be a discussion on university ethics in education no?

I mean these course cost kids a lifetime of debt, not ethical debt, hardcore hundred thousand dollar I can't afford food this week debt!"

Let's say I concede I wrote degree instead of courses, Harvard run courses on these subjects of comics, white rage etc, but it's clearly in the context of Universities ethical behaviours towards students and the debt they occur.

Does it really matter that specifically Harvard doesn't run a puppetry or comic degree, when there are others who do, and where Harvard goes others follow? institutional isomorphism is a very important phenomenon in academia.

Trump pressures Columbia, Columbia folds and Dean's all over the country react to it with their decision making. We just saw that happen.

So put away your hatred for Trump, and need to prove me wrong, and respond to the essence of my point:

"Does anyone disagree that US universities need overhaul, maybe to come in line with European equivalents, and have safeguards for its customers against the profit driven machine?"

That's a long winded way to say you were completely wrong in what you said. Send me the course links to angry white male and what not. I bet you can't and I bet, again, you're being dishonest.

I haven't even mentioned Trump and I know little about the university system in America other than it costs an arm and a leg but then generally speaking I would imagine Americans that go to university, on average, tend to earn more than those who don't. People should be allowed to study what they want and universities should offer that if there is a demand. You get similar stuff said about universities over here. What do you mean when you say overhaul?

 

[dirty harry]

Exactly, might as well bin off Art. Stupid art. What has that ever done for the world hey. Humanities in general. Boring. Philosophy. Whatever mate. Pointless

And obviously no life changing research gets done at universities either. It's all Micky mouse courses

Reductio ad absurdem.

@Welsh Exile your super conscious about wording, making me concede, I'd ask the same of you here, quote where I'd claim to 'bin off' any subject?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Reductio ad absurdem.

@Welsh Exile your super conscious about wording, making me concede, I'd ask the same of you here, quote where I'd claim to 'bin off' any subject?

You got me there mate. I was being hyperbolic. I offer my hand for you to give it a slap as I'm a naughty boy.

 

[dirty harry]

That's a long winded way to say you were completely wrong in what you said. Send me the course links to angry white male and what not. I bet you can't and I bet, again, you're being dishonest.

I haven't even mentioned Trump and I know little about the university system in America other than it costs an arm and a leg but then generally speaking I would imagine Americans that go to university, on average, tend to earn more than those who don't. People should be allowed to study what they want and universities should offer that if there is a demand. You get similar stuff said about universities over here. What do you mean when you say overhaul?

Overhaul is simple, as I stated above, safeguard students from the capitalist nature of universities who prioritise economic growth over educational and social cohesion.

To simplify, not allow 18 year old kids to sign up to 40k (average, much more courses charge much MUCH more) to degrees that have been proven to have little to no chance of a career in that field. I used Puppetry as an absurd degree, but realistically it's what 500 people a decade that study it, but for every puppetry there is a manga degree, there is 10 comic degrees, 50 other fine arts degrees, 100 gender studies, egyptology, paleontology, costume technology... blah blah blah. By all means study them, but don't predatorially profit from kids signing up to 40k debt at an interest rate of 10% that after 20 years paying minimum payments doesn't budge.

Social media is littered with horror stories of 35 year olds still owing the same as they did on graduation, 1.7t of debt in the country. So overhaul IMO would be as I said previously, coming inline with European standards, although not perfect much better.

Education, as healthcate should not be a capitalist product where profit is prioritised over the customer.