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Bannon, Breitbart, Fox et al were irrelevant? Ok

Why do I think Trump won? Multi faceted for sure. He's a populist who tapped into disadvantaged people's worries, much like Brexit vote here but the media had a big part to play in that as well.

Do I think the left played a part? Sure. They are the masters of scoring own goals (see Corbyn) but to ignore the part played by the right wing media is wrong

Ignore what, Fox News haha

Of the top 10 news organisations, Fox was a Trump promoter, the other 9 went after him.

That's why I say Fox (are you considering Breitbart main stream media in 2015?) Were irrelevant.

Trump recognised he had no chance of campaigning in traditional media, so he used that to pivot to the Internet and claim victim hood by the elites. And he made a great argument of it.

It'll there was more professionalism and less hysteria in media, we dont see a president Trump IMO
 
Ignore what, Fox News haha

Of the top 10 news organisations, Fox was a Trump promoter, the other 9 went after him.

That's why I say Fox (are you considering Breitbart main stream media in 2015?) Were irrelevant.

Trump recognised he had no chance of campaigning in traditional media, so he used that to pivot to the Internet and claim victim hood by the elites. And he made a great argument of it.

It'll there was more professionalism and less hysteria in media, we dont see a president Trump IMO
Yeah I disagree. I think Trump needed Bannon from a strategy point of view as well as a media POV. He needed social conditions to be right, like you said, he needed a candidate like Hilary, he needed a ****** off disenfranchised voter base, he needed a incompetent left wing media (and incompetent left wing in general) he needed lots of things tbh.

I think we largely agree but just disagree that the right wing media didn’t play a role. I’m sure there’s some research that’s been done on this. I’ll have a look later.
 
Yeah I disagree. I think Trump needed Bannon from a strategy point of view as well as a media POV. He needed social conditions to be right, like you said, he needed a candidate like Hilary, he needed a ****** off disenfranchised voter base, he needed a incompetent left wing media (and incompetent left wing in general) he needed lots of things tbh.

I think we largely agree but just disagree that the right wing media didn't play a role. I'm sure there's some research that's been done on this. I'll have a look later.

Id agree with most of this, and I'd agree to an extent it was a perfect storm type scenario, but I'd credit Trumps strategy more than you would.

Like I said, 9 of the 10 top media outlets in the USA all followed Democrat rule and went after Trump, that's the big difference for me. I'd also add Fox were certainly on the laugh at Trump train early on, they only took him seriously after the primaries.
 
Id agree with most of this, and I'd agree to an extent it was a perfect storm type scenario, but I'd credit Trumps strategy more than you would.

Like I said, 9 of the 10 top media outlets in the USA all followed Democrat rule and went after Trump, that's the big difference for me. I'd also add Fox were certainly on the laugh at Trump train early on, they only took him seriously after the primaries.
I would say Bannon was the brains behind it. It certainly wasn’t Donald “signs executive orders with felt tip pens”‘Trump.
 
I would say Bannon was the brains behind it. It certainly wasn't Donald "signs executive orders with felt tip pens"'Trump.

Partially, the Trump train was en route when Bannon jumped on, he was already utilising brand recognition, and social media for a year before Banon joined in, Miller joined a few months before him.
 
Trump claiming that the average American will have a tax hike if 68% if the current bill doesn't get passed... What a load of crap.

Massive tax breaks for the wealthiest again, reducing access and increasing costs of healthcare for the poorest and everyone getting hammered by tariffs, all as the debt skyrockets. This is just a big shift of wealth to the top.
 
Various definitions of corruption I'm guessing or more there's various ways of being corrupt. Different for Police Officers /Politicians/ Examiners etc.
So you agree, his definition isn't 'the' definition?

A ******** president selling merch isn't corruption.
 
So you agree, his definition isn't 'the' definition?

A ******** president selling merch isn't corruption.

Sounds like you got a bit further than eight seconds ;) I mean it's technically not all corruption. Abuse of power, profiteering is probably closer to the mark and that's only the stuff we know about. I suspect there's a fair bit of insider trading going as he and his family rinse Joe Bloggs retail investors with pump and dumps and other stuff.

Basically things that wouldn't be tolerated in most other western democracies. As one of them mentioned his base don't seem to care. Maybe we'll be seeing Eau de Starmer on Boots' shelves before Christmas.
 
Sounds like you got a bit further than eight seconds ;) I mean it's technically not all corruption. Abuse of power, profiteering is probably closer to the mark and that's only the stuff we know about. I suspect there's a fair bit of insider trading going as he and his family rinse Joe Bloggs investors with pump and dumps and other stuff.

Basically things that wouldn't be tolerated in most other western democracies. As one of them mentioned his base don't seem to care. Maybe we'll be seeing Eau de Starmer on Boots' shelves before Christmas.
I didnt get beyond the definition and the claim selling fragrance was corruption.

Merch is not corruption IMHO
 

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