[2021 Rugby Championship] Round 4 Argentina v New Zealand (18/9/2021)

[TRF_stormer2010]

18 September 2021 | 12:05 (CAT)
Suncorp Stadium​

Argentina
TBA

New Zealand
15 Jordie Barrett, 14 Will Jordan, 13 Rieko Ioane, 12 Quinn Tupaea, 11 George Bridge 10 Damien McKenzie, 9 TJ Perenara, 8 Hoskins Sotutu, 7 Ardie Savea (captain), 6 Ethan Blackadder, 5 Tupou Vaa'i, 4 Patrick Tuipulotu, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 2 Samisoni Taukei'aho, 1 Joe Moody

Substitutes: 16 Codie Taylor, 17 George Bower, 18 Ofa Tu'ungafasi, 19 Scott Barrett, 20 Luke Jacobson, 21 Finlay Christie, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Braydon Ennor

 

[Seeker]

 

[Twistie]

Hoping for a repeat of the last round.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Argentina will front up and play much better. Don’t know if they can win, but it won’t be a bonus point win for the ABs.

 

[Oliver Madden]

I can only see this going one way. After the indifferent performances last year Foster has finally got the ABs playing to a consistently good standard. They will beat Argentina and it won’t be close. ABs to win 37 - 10.

 

[Umaga's Witness]

Will be interesting to see the team. I imagine given the non stop schedule of games that this will be seen as the ideal time to rest players, ahead of the boks.

might be something like
Moody
Taylor
Taavao
Scott
vaai
Jacobson
Savea
Sotutu
Weber
Beauden
Reece
Havili
Lienert brown
Jordan
Jordie
Karl
Aumua
Lomax
Retallick
Blackadder
Tj
Mckenzie
Ione

 

[NZbloke]

Foster has made way too many changes for this match... going to be hard for us cohesion wise & we need to win this one to keep the squeeze on the Boks.



ABs : 1. Joe Moody (51), 2. Samisoni Taukei’aho (5), 3. Tyrel Lomax (9), 4. Patrick Tuipulotu (38), 5. Tupou Vaa’i (6), 6. Ethan Blackadder (4), 7. Ardie Savea (53) – captain, 8. Hoskins Sotutu (6), 9. TJ Perenara (72), 10. Damian McKenzie (34), 11. George Bridge (14), 12. Quinn Tupaea (2), 13. Rieko Ioane (41), 14. Will Jordan (7), 15. Jordie Barrett (29).
Reserves : 16. Codie Taylor (61), 17. George Bower (6), 18. Ofa Tuungafasi (39), 19. Scott Barrett (45), 20. Luke Jacobson (8),21. Finlay Christie (2), 22. Beauden Barrett (95), 23. Braydon Ennor (1).

 

[NZbloke]

Mckenzie has played plenty of games at both 15 & 10, so he'll go well at 1st-five... just a bit of a worry with a lot of combination changes.

 

[Twistie]

Interesting team .I like Will Jordan he is good to watch and we will see if Argentina target the scrum and lineout in this game .

 

[Kiwiwomble]

for those that like pictures

 

[NZbloke]

Interesting team .I like Will Jordan he is good to watch and we will see if Argentina target the scrum and lineout in this game .

Yeah, Will Jordan is a brilliant winger - thought our lineout was a bit messy in our last match.... with all these changes we've got to really concentrate on executing our set pieces well, in the lineouts our hooker has to throw accurately, lifters need to get their timing right, with the jumper attacking the ball aggressively in the air.

 

[Umaga's Witness]

It will be a tough game. The 10-12-13 axis has not a lot Of experience at This level in those positions.

good to see ofa back.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

NZ looking to give the up and comers a cap and develop depth. I am sure those players will pick it up and take in in their stride as the All Blacks always seem to do.

 

[Oliver Madden]

After seeing the All Blacks team I’m a little more nervous about my prediction of an easy win. That team has talent in abundance but I’m never keen on seeing loads of new combinations at once. It’s hard to get into a rhythm. I hope Foster hasn’t made a massive mistake here. Don’t get me wrong that team should still easily account for Argentina but sometimes a lack of familiarity in combinations can cost you a test match.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Good to see Sotutu given a chance.

 

[ChicagoKid]

After seeing the All Blacks team I’m a little more nervous about my prediction of an easy win. That team has talent in abundance but I’m never keen on seeing loads of new combinations at once. It’s hard to get into a rhythm. I hope Foster hasn’t made a massive mistake here. Don’t get me wrong that team should still easily account for Argentina but sometimes a lack of familiarity in combinations can cost you a test match.

You’ll win or lose by 5. Book it.

 

[NZbloke]

After seeing the All Blacks team I’m a little more nervous about my prediction of an easy win. That team has talent in abundance but I’m never keen on seeing loads of new combinations at once. It’s hard to get into a rhythm. I hope Foster hasn’t made a massive mistake here. Don’t get me wrong that team should still easily account for Argentina but sometimes a lack of familiarity in combinations can cost you a test match.

Yeah, not intelligent coaching by Foster - this is a crucial part of the comp, so really silly making 11 changes, if Argentina win most of our or all of our 5 point lead could evaporate going into those last two matches against the Boks.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Yeah, not intelligent coaching by Foster - this is a crucial part of the comp, so really silly making 11 changes, if Argentina win most of our or all of our 5 point lead could evaporate going into those last two matches against the Boks.

i dont know, i see what hes doing, he also wants to give the best players a small rest before having to front SA, i think this is better than fielding a full strength team and risking fatigue/injury for the SA games

 

[NZbloke]

i dont know, i see what hes doing, he also wants to give the best players a small rest before having to front SA, i think this is better than fielding a full strength team and risking fatigue/injury for the SA games

This is about getting the balance right, giving ourselves the best chance of winning the Rugby Championship though - Foster hasn't learnt from Hansen's mistakes in his last year of coaching, where we consistently made too many changes, it was basically like musical chairs, it definitely showed with us finishing last in the Rugby Championship, our worst result ever in that comp, also hardly firing a shot at the RWC... yeah, we should make some changes each game, but make way too many changes & you're just asking for trouble cohesion wise.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

generally im the first to bag fozzie and the

This is about getting the balance right, giving ourselves the best chance of winning the Rugby Championship though - Foster hasn't learnt from Hansen's mistakes in his last year of coaching, where we consistently made too many changes, it was basically like musical chairs, it definitely showed with us finishing last in the Rugby Championship, our worst result ever in that comp, also hardly firing a shot at the RWC... yeah, we should make some changes each game, but make way too many changes & you're just asking for trouble cohesion wise.

and changing but i get it in this run of games, this team is still capable of beating argentina where as it would struggle to beat south Africa

 

[Umaga's Witness]

This is about getting the balance right, giving ourselves the best chance of winning the Rugby Championship though - Foster hasn't learnt from Hansen's mistakes in his last year of coaching, where we consistently made too many changes, it was basically like musical chairs, it definitely showed with us finishing last in the Rugby Championship, our worst result ever in that comp, also hardly firing a shot at the RWC... yeah, we should make some changes each game, but make way too many changes & you're just asking for trouble cohesion wise.

Well it was pretty obvious that changes were going to be made. Any top international side would have done the same, and all all blacks coaches in the pro era would have done the same.

I had predicted less changes, and you argue that the number of changes is too much because they should be going for consistency. But I’d say the fact they’ve made so many changes actually points to their desire to build combinations and get some consistency with their top team. Because they could either have made less changes more often, in order to give people rest in a busy schedule, or they could make fewer changes less often, which looks like what they’re doing. So it sounds like you and foster have the same intent, only foster has thought it through more in terms of how to achieve that intent, which isn’t surprising given it’s his job.

 

[NZbloke]

It's not about building combinations as we are looking to win this comp... in our last match we had 6 changes, 2 changes forced through injuries, also injuries can happen at any stage, so changing 5 or 6 players at the most is ok as you still get decent continuity, this time Foster has changed over two thirds of the starting team, so it's going to be difficult for us to play well as a unit.

 

[NZbloke]

this team is still capable of beating argentina where as it would struggle to beat south Africa

True, but why make things more difficult for ourselves though.

 

[NZbloke]

only foster has thought it through more in terms of how to achieve that intent, which isn’t surprising given it’s his job.

Mate, Foster is a very average head coach, was a average head coach for the Chiefs too, it looks like he was only selected as Hansen's assistant coach because he was a good mate of his... Hansen was a good coach but not a great one, he didn't have the good sense to include drop goals into our game until the last year or two of his AB coaching career, it's another weapon that can be used to win a tight game at the end, or push you past a 7 point lead.
Also Hansen was tactically poor at trying to break down a rushing defence, all he basically had was to spread the wide to the backs or take it it through the forwards - if you're getting slow ball from your forwards it's very difficult to take the ball up or fire it out wide to your backs with the opposition standing on top of them... with the opposition standing up so flat there's going to be acres of space behind to kick into to turn them around, yet amazingly Hansen hardly ever got his playmakers to use those tactics, players should be thinking for themselves anyway, read the situation & take the best option.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Am I right in thinking the Suncorp crowd is for both games?
So this one is gonna have a crowd full of tanked up Aussies who have been on the beers for hours and are now celebrating a big win?

 

[Larksea]

big ask for this forward pack to perform at the same level after so many changes. Took a lot of intensity to breakdown that Argentinian Defense, makes things very interesting. honestly the backline is all good, this all black forward pack needs to perform.
apparently if the AB's win by 15 or more they will regain the #1 spot in the rankings.

 

[GoTheNaki]

I've liked what McKenzie has produced at 10. Will be a good watch in the 2nd half.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I know it'll come across as a silly question, but i've got to ask: In this day and age, can someone get into trouble for saying "dont be a pussy" to another player in front of the ref?

Imagine how disappointed and distraught i feel that that happens to be my main concern at halftime.

 

[GoTheNaki]

Taukei'aho has been top **** tonight. What a beast.

edit: I really don't fancy our depth after Smith and Perenara... And even then, Smith is very CLEARLY our #1. What happened to Triple T and Nock... Nock was meant to be a wonder kid halfback.

 

[Umaga's Witness]

Taukei'aho has been top **** tonight. What a beast.

edit: I really don't fancy our depth after Smith and Perenara... And even then, Smith is very CLEARLY our #1. What happened to Triple T and Nock... Nock was meant to be a wonder kid halfback.

Edit: “…. After smith and perenara and Weber…” I think you might have had a memory lapse. But I agree otherwise.

I guess we can be happy we held them out under a lot of pressure but was a bit disappointing we couldn’t kick on.