A Political Thread pt. 2

[Ddanno]

I think I know what you're getting at

 

[TommiG88]

1. Are you claiming the flagrant podcast is right leaning?

2. By 'killing it' do you mean that he spouts idealistic nonsense to pander to literally everyone?

3. Isn't Pete the politician who went to the park and drunk booze from a brown paper bag to look cool to black voters? That was so inappropriate and racist it was crazy!

1 Normal intelligent people generally lean one way or another. So calling a podcast right leaning isn’t an insult.

2 talking from the heart, generally being normal and saying nothing ridiculous and outrageous. Seems that is a bit on an anomaly in politics these days.

3 I have no idea who this guy is, but please tell me how drinking in a park is racist?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Normal intelligent people generally lean one way or another. So calling a podcast right leaning isn't an insult.

It's such a dumb thing to take umbrage with, as well
Schulz supports trump/the republican party - I didn't call him MAGA or far right or anything, just said his show is right leaning, which is just a fact

Calling it right leaning is a compliment if anything, because while I don't particularly like Schulz he does try and at least have a dialogue with people from the left, hence why his podcast with Mayor Pete was a good one, because they're both willing to talk, rather than fling ****

 

[dirty harry]

It's such a dumb thing to take umbrage with, as well
Schulz supports trump/the republican party - I didn't call him MAGA or far right or anything, just said his show is right leaning, which is just a fact

Calling it right leaning is a compliment if anything, because while I don't particularly like Schulz he does try and at least have a dialogue with people from the left, hence why his podcast with Mayor Pete was a good one, because they're both willing to talk, rather than fling ****

It's not umbrage, it's more like the jaw dropping lack of understanding on the political scene...

And this isn't directed specifically at yourself, but more of this political element of this website in general, and other places that just bombard each other with Daily Beast, Huff post and super biased creators just doing what they need to, farm views with anti Trump rhetoric.

Schulz is a life long Democrat, grew up in dance and the arts, and holds liberal or traditional Democrat views on most subjects, similar to Rogan and a boat load of other comedians / podcasters etc...

To call these right, or right leaning, or even sympathetic shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the climate, they are none of these things, they are merely lost by the 'left' who have shifted and made huge swathes of voters homeless.

The more we term rational people who question narratives, 'right' in any form, highlights an ignorance in us, and shows we have a team, we are on team good, they are on team bad.

Reactionaries around the west are getting more and more power, Europe is turning into the iceberg instead of away, and it's these attitudes and spaces like this one who are at the wheel, the more you entrench yourselves into the 'I'm the good guy' hole the less sympathy you have for humanity who you deem 'bad'. We are seeing extremism rise, and radicalisation is happening more and more, it's just being normalised!

I would implore you to go and figure out why these hugely popular people who were life long Dems, Bernie fans, and advocates are now understanding why Trump makes sense, and why the USA continue to support him and have voted him in multiple times. It's not a story that is unique to the USA, it's happening throughout the west.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I would implore you to go and figure out why these hugely popular people who were life long Dems, Bernie fans, and advocates are now understanding why Trump makes sense

Because they've changed their politics as they've grown and their world views have changed based on their experiences?

Your world view is so blinkered it's ridiculous

Everyone is the same when they're a child as when they're a teenager as when they're a young adult as when they're a middle aged multi millionaire.
Everyone is born in their box and they cannot change.
No one could ever change their political leanings.

 

[Ddanno]

Pleeeeease **** him off already he's never made an argument in good faith in his life

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

If Trump is being elected largely because of promises to share up the status quo, even if for the worst and even if clearly an awful person, it begs the question why the USA is still so reluctant to put forward a more left wing candidate who is like Bernie but younger. It seems there is some appetite for drastic change and currently the only side pushing that are MAGA, no matter how awful they are.

The left need to stop fearing being labelled socialists and communists are take the right wing head on on this.

Pete buttigieg seems to at least be leaning that way whilst appearing to be open to all support and vastly more statesman like that Trump.

 

[dirty harry]

Because they've changed their politics as they've grown and their world views have changed based on their experiences?

Your world view is so blinkered it's ridiculous

Everyone is the same when they're a child as when they're a teenager as when they're a young adult as when they're a middle aged multi millionaire.
Everyone is born in their box and they cannot change.
No one could ever change their political leanings.

This would make sense, except they havnt changed their stances on the subjects, they've merely acknowledged the failings of the Dems, and now see common sense from those they don't agree with.

But your still committing the same mistakes, they've 'turned right as they grow up' only really applies financially, most generations become less right as they grow on social issues.

But let's do the work, let's see which subjects Schulz has become right on?

 

[dirty harry]

Pleeeeease **** him off already he's never made an argument in good faith in his life

I'm here to save your soul, hate me now, worship me later

 

[TRF_Olyy]

let's see which subjects Schulz has become right on

Publicly supporting the republican party and Donald Trump

 

[ncurd]

it begs the question why the USA is still so reluctant to put forward a more left wing candidate who is like Bernie but younger

Simple answer is it will drive to the right many American center ground voters. I was speaking to an American friend before the election (she has voted Republican before but wouldn't vote for these Republicans) and the fear of taxation and the left coming to take all your stuff is just something we don't get over here.

 

[dirty harry]

Publicly supporting the republican party and Donald Trump

You understand how much your building my case lol.

The comedian said interviewing Trump was not an endorsement and "I don't believe in endorsing candidates. I'm a comedian. And I didn't want to go to the inauguration either. They were very kind to invite me, but it wasn't for me."

So he's said publicly he doesn't endorse Trump, and spurned Trump publicly.

are you talking about hosting him then?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

You understand how much your building my case lol.

No, you're just incredibly ignorant.

 

[dirty harry]

Simple answer is it will drive to the right many American center ground voters. I was speaking to an American friend before the election (she has voted Republican before but wouldn't vote for these Republicans) and the fear of taxation and the left coming to take all your stuff is just something we don't get over here.

This is bang on, it's hard to understand the extremists language used in the USA although it is increasing here...

AOC is making a decent run at it though, as is a few others.

I think it would depend on the candidate really, and how they frame the narrative

 

[Deleted member 90256]

Tories On Course To Lose 500 Seats In Local Election Humiliation

Labour also set for poor night – but Reform UK will be celebrating.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Not sure Labour will do that well in these or the next election by their current direction either. Pretty much everyone I know that supports Labour has said they won't vote for them again. Guess they'll go green, lib or Plaid Cymru.

 

[dirty harry]

No, you're just incredibly ignorant.

I'm ignorant because Shultz stating publicly he doesn't endorse candidates, and refused an invite to the inauguration is clearly evidence of him publicly endorsing Trump.

Come on man, your better than this. Do you even believe Trump is right wing himself, after all he's said in the past? Hes literally spoken about chosen the Republicans because they are more gullible... He's the most Democrat president ever seen for 20 odd years lol, he just uses the Republican fanbase for an outcome.

 

[Deleted member 90256]

If Trump is being elected largely because of promises to share up the status quo, even if for the worst and even if clearly an awful person, it begs the question why the USA is still so reluctant to put forward a more left wing candidate who is like Bernie but younger. It seems there is some appetite for drastic change and currently the only side pushing that are MAGA, no matter how awful they are.

The left need to stop fearing being labelled socialists and communists are take the right wing head on on this.

Pete buttigieg seems to at least be leaning that way whilst appearing to be open to all support and vastly more statesman like that Trump.

Just my take, but they all come across as keeping the status quo. Look at labour here or Macron. They talked a good game, but nothing is or will dramatically change.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

He's the most Democrat president ever seen for 20 odd years lol

Yeah, you're not ignorant

 

[Deleted member 90256]

I'm ignorant because Shultz stating publicly he doesn't endorse candidates, and refused an invite to the inauguration is clearly evidence of him publicly endorsing Trump.

Come on man, your better than this. Do you even believe Trump is right wing himself, after all he's said in the past? Hes literally spoken about chosen the Republicans because they are more gullible... He's the most Democrat president ever seen for 20 odd years lol, he just uses the Republican fanbase for an outcome.

Trump is much easier to understand then people think. He's an old fart who cannot remember what he said or did moments after doing it. Regardless of political leanings, like Biden, he's not fit to do the job.

 

[dirty harry]

Yeah, you're not ignorant

You can keep the insults coming, but by avoiding the argument your only making my case stronger.

I do not understand people who do this, I'm not smart, I'm dumb, it's easy to prove how wrong I am...

In this case, you would just have to list Schultzs right wing views on specific issues, like LGBTQ, Abortion, Immigration etc.. easy as that.