A Political Thread pt. 2

[Deleted member 90256]

They'll have to sell 3 macs to recover.

 

[ncurd]

Society has to pamper for thick people. Bloody two tier policing!

Its nothing new I remember some time after Lee Rigby was murdered something happen by a white guy. There were a bunch of social media posts "the press didn't report on Rigby's killers enough but why are they promoting this".

Some of my friends had to point out to another friend that the Rigby stuff was massively reported on by the press at the time of it happening and that the reason it hadn't been reported on recently was because it was awaiting trial and thee was nothing new to say.

Some if these idiots act like they should be reported on all the time.

 

[McTallshort]

I've heard this one inch eastward quote before and there seems to be a lot of different things said about it. I've heard people saying it was referring to Germany only but at the end of the day it was never ratified in any agreement. If it's not written down it's not been agreed has it. Seems a bit silly to use this one single sentence said by one person years ago when said thing was never even agreed.

If countries want to enter into alliances then it's up to them not their former colonial masters and its a moot point because Ukraine wasn't in NATO which is probably the reason it got invaded as Russia wouldn't have invaded a NATO country.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Which is specifically why I only used it in a laundry list, and even offered to discount it, and many others in the list to still see if actions and reactions justified potential provocation.

I agree there are a number of interpretations, maybe it meant east Germany, and it's true that NATO have never agreed not to expand.

I'll reiterate though because this subject stands a few weeks, I don't think there's justification, I just think there is too much evidence of provocation, and as I just said I genuinely am starting to believe it was a trap for Putin to fall into

This is what it comes down to me, you either think an attack on a sovereign country is either justified or not. Personally I think there was no justification and the so called provocation to Russia is just Putin spin but at least we agree there was no justification for it.

 

[TommiG88]

Its nothing new I remember some time after Lee Rigby was murdered something happen by a white guy. There were a bunch of social media posts "the press didn't report on Rigby's killers enough but why are they promoting this".

Some of my friends had to point out to another friend that the Rigby stuff was massively reported on by the press at the time of it happening and that the reason it hadn't been reported on recently was because it was awaiting trial and thee was nothing new to say.

Some if these idiots act like they should be reported on all the time.

The problem now is that we a social media which is a virus with no cure. And what was said between friends back then, be it on Facebook, was generally with people who followed their friends so it became a conversation between piers.

Now it is between strangers who reinforce their thoughts / ideologies. We are now at a point where these people cannot be reasoned with.

It’s a nasty little world we live in now. Where a handful of semi intelligent people know how to stir up the emotions of the thick masses.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I just cannot comprehend how someone could do something like we’ve seen in Liverpool. Totally unfathomable to me, no matter your beliefs, troubles or state of intoxication.

Incredible that there weren’t fatalities and I just hope those more seriously injured make full recoveries. Bloke was lucky not to be lynched on the spot.

 

[ncurd]

I just cannot comprehend how someone could do something like we've seen in Liverpool. Totally unfathomable to me, no matter your beliefs, troubles or state of intoxication.

Incredible that there weren't fatalities and I just hope those more seriously injured make full recoveries. Bloke was lucky not to be lynched on the spot.

One of the most shocking things at the end of BlacKkKlansman is the footage of Charlottesville and the person driving into that crowd.

But I don't get anyone who goes out to inflict bodily harm but yeah that indiscriminate killing/violence is something else.

 

[AlRums]

Tornado-ravaged voters reveal problem with Trump's 'America First'

MAGA voters in a tornado-ravaged towns have turned to Donald Trump for help after deadly twisters tore up their town.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[McTallshort]

@Kiwiwomble

"you still dont answer how exactly that is a provocation other than just accepting russia's pre planned excuse to invade former USSA territories."

What? There are clear motives and excuses for provocation explained there. Just because you dent them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Let's really simplify it, breaking the agreement of the Warsaw Pact, running unplanned military manoeuvres in Ukraine, US interventions in Crimea, Georgia and then potentially Ukraine, all poking the bear.

But let's say all these things aren't any provocation whatsoever, Baker never mentioned the 'one inch eastward' in context of Russia, and NATOs expansion to basically surround Russia is propaganda.

Let's consider reasons other than this for Russia to feel it's security is under threat, and Putin to feel he's under threat.

On 26 March 2022, Biden, said "For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power."

Bidens actions since the were not one of peacemaker, but one of lacklustre. Trump has also played silly buggers. These actions confirm to me the US had no intention of stopping an invasion, and instead in at least part was happy to watch the situation unfold. The plan seems obvious, keep the war funded and ongoing, keep sanctions pressuring the Russian people until they revolt, and a Yeltsin like west sympathising leader is found.

Look at what some of the US backed NGOs are doing in the region, the constant call for the Russian aligned Assad to be replaced in Syria. Hellnin 2015 right after Putin warned of NATOs involvement in Ukraine the US responded by using the COA to train Ukraine troops in insurgency tactics.

Bit ultimately, from my POV, despite all this evidence of at very least a small provocation, it's the reactions of the US and NATO that lead me to believe provocation was not only there, but was intended.

I genuinely think Putin has fallen into a trap in Ukraine, using Crimea and Georgia as blue prints I thinknPutin took the bait, and is not in a downward slide to his own demise. Noone really wants this war to end, the best scenario for the west is to keep funding Ukraine to destabilise and drain Russian resources, keep the sanctions up, and enjoy the show.

Ukraine wasn't in NATO

 

[dirty harry]

This is what it comes down to me, you either think an attack on a sovereign country is either justified or not. Personally I think there was no justification and the so called provocation to Russia is just Putin spin but at least we agree there was no justification for it.

I 100% agree there was no justification for it, but there can be provocation and no justification no?

To use a very poor example, if a woman squares up to a man, screams for violence and then acts violent, there has been provocation, but he wouldn't be justified in knocking her out would he?

Similar to Russia, I wouldn't justify the invasion, but I can acknowledge there is no good and bad in geopolitical issues, and numerous agencies and countries have alternative agendas and strategies. Here has been provocation, to which level I would say doesn't justify invasion, but then we are not making decisions based on a world view of a hostile west looking to restrict and strangle our country are we?

 

[Saintjay]

If countries want to enter into alliances then it's up to them not their former colonial masters and its a moot point because Ukraine wasn't in NATO which is probably the reason it got invaded as Russia wouldn't have invaded a NATO country.

Exactly the only reason Putin dislikes Nato is because it says "**** around and find out" on the tin.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I 100% agree there was no justification for it, but there can be provocation and no justification no?

To use a very poor example, if a woman squares up to a man, screams for violence and then acts violent, there has been provocation, but he wouldn't be justified in knocking her out would he?

Similar to Russia, I wouldn't justify the invasion, but I can acknowledge there is no good and bad in geopolitical issues, and numerous agencies and countries have alternative agendas and strategies. Here has been provocation, to which level I would say doesn't justify invasion, but then we are not making decisions based on a world view of a hostile west looking to restrict and strangle our country are we?

You're correct to make a distinction but a better example would be more like a woman is getting harassed by a man and she makes her feelings clear she is not going to shag him and then the man knocks her out.

If you accept there was no justification the provocation is either minor or non existent.

 

[dirty harry]

You're correct to make a distinction but a better example would be more like a woman is getting harassed by a man and she makes her feelings clear she is not going to shag him and then the man knocks her out.

If you accept there was no justification the provocation is either minor or non existent.

I mean either example have elements of truth, and maybe personal pervertedness from ourselves but I think I get what you mean hahaha

I mean, I don't know the level of provocation, and wouldn't dare to be the one to decide, therenis a LOT of info, and a lot of it can be deemed untrustworthy, my issue is essentially that the idea there was no provocation from US or NATO is either naive, biased or both!

Of the what 12+ examples I mention, Reaction to Finland, One inch east, Crimea, Georgia, CIA training Ukraine, Biden claiming Putin needs to be removed, US military chief calling NATOs expansion in Eastern Europe a grave and hostile mistake, NATO unplanned manoeuvres near the border, US exercise in bombing the Kremlin etc... there are probably arguments for and against each individual action and reaction, but with a list this long, even if you discount most, the obvious decision would be that there is at least some provocation from the west.

I despise this current mentality that there is 'correct' political opinion in any subject, that's just not honest.

 

[ncurd]

Remember she pled guilty

Explaining a 31-month sentence for a tweet

27th May 2025 How a mixture of court process, law and sentencing policy led to the lengthy imprisonment of Lucy Connolly For some a prison sentence – or indeed any criminal sanction – f…

davidallengreen.com

 

[McTallshort]

I 100% agree there was no justification for it, but there can be provocation and no justification no?

To use a very poor example, if a woman squares up to a man, screams for violence and then acts violent, there has been provocation, but he wouldn't be justified in knocking her out would he?

Similar to Russia, I wouldn't justify the invasion, but I can acknowledge there is no good and bad in geopolitical issues, and numerous agencies and countries have alternative agendas and strategies. Here has been provocation, to which level I would say doesn't justify invasion, but then we are not making decisions based on a world view of a hostile west looking to restrict and strangle our country are we?

What violence has Ukraine committed to Russia

 

[dirty harry]

Remember she pled guilty

Explaining a 31-month sentence for a tweet

27th May 2025 How a mixture of court process, law and sentencing policy led to the lengthy imprisonment of Lucy Connolly For some a prison sentence – or indeed any criminal sanction – f…

davidallengreen.com

This is a tough one, not only did she 100% incite violence, she has a history of borderline / racist comments online, and this is from a free speech advocate.

I think where I have a little compassion, and it isn't much, is that the likes of Huw Edward's can contribute to pedophile rings, literally paying pedophiles for content, and avoid jail.

Jac Davies can be caught with class A drugs and hundreds of indecent images of children, and receive a 12 month sentence suspended.

Last year a childr rapist was given 2 years, suspended due to over crowding, and then fled the country to Egypt and on return avoided jail again.

A man convicted of domestic violence last year, who tortured his wife for tears was given 21 months and a 10 year restraining order.

A rapist who pled guilty to sexual offences was given 18 months.

I understand the need to punish Lucy, but to compare that sentence to harsh, abusive, sexual and the most heinous crimes in society seems harsh. Is 31 months necessary for Lucy's rehabilitation, or is it needed to set a standard to the British public?

 

[AlRums]

Remember she pled guilty

Explaining a 31-month sentence for a tweet

27th May 2025 How a mixture of court process, law and sentencing policy led to the lengthy imprisonment of Lucy Connolly For some a prison sentence – or indeed any criminal sanction – f…

davidallengreen.com

Starmer defends courts over Lucy Connolly racist post

Norfolk MP Rupert Lowe asks Sir Keir Starmer if her jail term is an "efficient" use of prison.

www.bbc.co.uk

I debated posting this article earlier, now it makes more sense to do so.

 

[General Melchett]

Regardless of race, gender or religion, people thinking they can take the law into their own hands is massive red line in any justice system. That applies to idiots targeting Jewish people, Muslim immigrants or anyone really.

 

[ncurd]

I debated posting this article earlier, now it makes more sense to do so.

I've debated it too but in light of yesterdays events and Farage opening up his yap about it today.

• Incitement is a very serious offence especially when as noted riots are occurring and places being burnt down.
• The tweet was widely distributed.
• She pled guilty
• She didn't contest the level of severity she was charged with.
• Due to the two above she had a 60% reduction in sentence.

 

[Ddanno]

Until these maggots finally realise that freedom of speech and freedom from the consequences of your speech are different things, I have zero sympathy