A Political Thread pt. 2

[Saintjay]

So today I've learnt i need VPN so I can "research" the channel 4 documentary about Bonnie Blue on the hub. No point in creating a twitch account Got it

More a serious point on the impact of revenue generating social media and "influencer" actually being a career choice. Young girls seeing easy ways of making money and not leaving the house.

 

[dirty harry]

So today I've learnt i need VPN so I can "research" the channel 4 documentary about Bonnie Blue on the hub. No point in creating a twitch account Got it

**** me your in fire today, I lost my mint because of that last comment!!!!

 

[ncurd]

So today I've learnt i need VPN so I can "research" the channel 4 documentary about Bonnie Blue on the hub. No point in creating a twitch account Got it

She's on pornhub dude, crikey why are grown men afraid to look at porn now....

 

[Saintjay]

She's on pornhub dude, crikey why are grown men afraid to look at porn now....

I know she is, that why I'm going there for 'research' purposes

I think it's more an issue people are not keen on giving name and address details to Spankthemonkey Inc, Albania

No matter what data protection policies they say they have.

 

[ncurd]

I know she is, that why I'm going there for 'research' purposes

I think it's more an issue people are not keen on giving name and address details to Spankthemonkey Inc, Albania

No matter what data protection policies they say they have.

Well they don't have to give their name and address details. But it is linked to my google account.

But yes the Ashley Madison problem I guess. Well maybe less than that.

 

[Gavin]

Netanyahu to propose full reoccupation of Gaza, Israeli media report

The plan will involve a complete takeover of Gaza, but reportedly faces opposition from military chiefs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is to propose fully reoccupying the Gaza Strip when he meets his security cabinet, Israeli media say.

"The die has been cast. We're going for the full conquest of the Gaza Strip – and defeating Hamas," local journalists quote a senior official saying.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Netanyahu to propose full reoccupation of Gaza, Israeli media report

The plan will involve a complete takeover of Gaza, but reportedly faces opposition from military chiefs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sorry, I’ve not read the article but I’ve heard reports that the IDF have been at loggerheads with Netenyahu in various things relating to the war (namely the plan to move everyone down south and keep them there) among other things. If true then I would imagine they find this objectionable as well. I wonder how that will all pan out, assuming it’s true of course.

 

[Saintjay]

Can see it going off in Warkwickshre at this rate.

More disclosure of suspects' immigration status needed, Cooper says

The home secretary's comments follow calls for details to be released of two men charged over an alleged rape.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[ncurd]

Can see it going off in Warkwickshre at this rate.

More disclosure of suspects' immigration status needed, Cooper says

The home secretary's comments follow calls for details to be released of two men charged over an alleged rape.

www.bbc.co.uk

Remember this very confected designed to keep immigrants as the problem as opposed to main perpetrators of these kind of crimes.

 

[Reiser99]

Netanyahu to propose full reoccupation of Gaza, Israeli media report

The plan will involve a complete takeover of Gaza, but reportedly faces opposition from military chiefs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah, definitely not going to displace an entire people. Actually that is true, going to stuff them in a ghetto/concentration camp instead, sorry I mean 'humanitarian city '.

 

[Reiser99]

Remember this very confected designed to keep immigrants as the problem as opposed to main perpetrators of these kind of crimes.

Yeah, for me it's only transparent if it applies to everyone accused of the same/similar crime. Unfortunately, like most times, British people would want it until they realise it would affect them.

 

[Saintjay]

Remember this very confected designed to keep immigrants as the problem as opposed to main perpetrators of these kind of crimes.

Yep and sadly that's what makes rape very difficult to prove. Stranger rape is still pretty rare. Far more likely to be a partner. Then the fact sex took place isn't the issue. It's proving if conscent wasn't giving that is. Hence why the rape detection stats are low.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Yeah, definitely not going to displace an entire people. Actually that is true, going to stuff them in a ghetto/concentration camp instead, sorry I mean 'humanitarian city '.

To be honest, I don’t even think Netenyahu really wants this. No doubt Ben-Gvir and Smotrich want it as do a monority of Israelis but, as I say, I’m not even sure Netenyahu wants that ideologically speaking. As I’m sure we agree, his main aim is to delay to stay out of jail.

 

[dirty harry]

Remember this very confected designed to keep immigrants as the problem as opposed to main perpetrators of these kind of crimes.

I think the argument is, if this is already an issue, why import young men en masse, from cultures who have poor views on women.

I'll never understand the lack of honest conversation over immigration (not that im accusing you of this), to acknowledge certain types of immigrants views on women and what determines SA and consent isnt calling an entire culture wrong, but you can call those behaviours allowed in that culture wrong.

Social workers and police have started using certain terminology in risk assessments and referrals to alert each other to behaviours they arent allowed to state openly.

Cultural differences is one.

I do overall agree with the point regarding immigration, I just dont think saying 'oh look British people (or should I say those already in britain) do it, so focus on that first'. How about focus on reducing the incidents, where there are trends address them.

 

[Saintjay]

I think the argument is, if this is already an issue, why import young men en masse, from cultures who have poor views on women.

I'll never understand the lack of honest conversation over immigration (not that im accusing you of this), to acknowledge certain types of immigrants views on women and what determines SA and consent isnt calling an entire culture wrong, but you can call those behaviours allowed in that culture wrong.

Social workers and police have started using certain terminology in risk assessments and referrals to alert each other to behaviours they arent allowed to state openly.

Cultural differences is one.

I do overall agree with the point regarding immigration, I just dont think saying 'oh look British people (or should I say those already in britain) do it, so focus on that first'. How about focus on reducing the incidents, where there are trends address them.

Part of it's a framing issue. Of course most sex offenders are white, British.

However has there beem an issue within certain communities with Asian men praying on young white females. The answer is yes.

Did the authorities cover up these issues for fear of being branded racist. Would they have treated a white grooming gang differently again the answer is yes.

The fear of being seen as racist has actualy made the decision making different based on skin colour. Which you could argue is racist itself.

I agree with the home sec the Police need a new policy as at the moment they are getting tied in knotts.

 

[AlRums]

Yeah, definitely not going to displace an entire people. Actually that is true, going to stuff them in a ghetto/concentration camp instead, sorry I mean 'humanitarian city '.

And when he's done that, he'll make a proper start on the West Bank.

 

[ncurd]

Part of it's a framing issue.

I think my issue is less of one of solutions investigations should lead to where they are going. There are plenty of white grooming gangs out there too they just weren't overlooked for terrible reasons.

The issue is the problem that sex offences are vastly outnumbered by ridiculous ratios to those "at home" as opposed to "by gangs". Our focus and resources should be at where the majority of offences are committed.

And frankly every Asian man I've known has had perfectly fine attitudes about women. Is there actually any evidence to suggest an Asian man is more likely to commit an offence than a white man?

 

[Saintjay]

I think my issue is less of one of solutions investigations should lead to where they are going. There are plenty of white grooming gangs out there too they just weren't overlooked for terrible reasons.

The issue is the problem that sex offences are vastly outnumbered by ridiculous ratios to those "at home" as opposed to "by gangs". Our focus and resources should be at where the majority of offences are committed.

And frankly every Asian man I've known has had perfectly fine attitudes about women. Is there actually any evidence to suggest an Asian man is more likely to commit an offence than a white man?

No idea about the stats with Asian men tbh. The stats for grooming gangs in general is terribly under reported with patchy data at best.

Really think it's also a location thing. In London you are more likely to be stabbed or robbed by a young black male, North Wales that would be different.

 

[dirty harry]

Part of it's a framing issue. Of course most sex offenders are white, British.

However has there beem an issue within certain communities with Asian men praying on young white females. The answer is yes.

Did the authorities cover up these issues for fear of being branded racist. Would they have treated a white grooming gang differently again the answer is yes.

The fear of being seen as racist has actualy made the decision making different based on skin colour. Which you could argue is racist itself.

I agree with the home sec the Police need a new policy as at the moment they are getting tied in knotts.

Agreed. I'd add that you shouldn't use past tense, I still deal with it on a regular basis, vape shopes, taxis, barbers and certain areas all should be under investigation (some inevitably are, most are probably not).

But it is a multi faceted problem, not helped when you have either side of the isle making the claimsneither all the 'boat people' are rapists, or they are all doctors and engineers.

I know its a niaive idealistic take, but I wish to see some genuine discourse, not politicking.

 

[Saintjay]

Agreed. I'd add that you shouldn't use past tense, I still deal with it on a regular basis, vape shopes, taxis, barbers and certain areas all should be under investigation (some inevitably are, most are probably not).

But it is a multi faceted problem, not helped when you have either side of the isle making the claimsneither all the 'boat people' are rapists, or they are all doctors and engineers.

I know its a niaive idealistic take, but I wish to see some genuine discourse, not politicking.

As far as I know they are all heavily linked to money laundering and modern slavery. Operation Mackenzie by the NCA did a blitz on them.

One of the things to come out of Rochdale etc was the links to taxi companies and fast food outlets.

I remember years ago a senior met officer had calls to be dismissed when he said in London you are more likely to be robbed by a young black male and the police needed to work with black communities.