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A Political Thread pt. 2

I am talking about the funding of the benefits. A lot of which is funded by govt borrowing by way of issue of GILTs. They borrow more they increase interest on it.

It's a political hot potato because we are in so much debt and how you finance them and who pays.

Yes it sounds easy but when there's a housing crisis it creates a lot of resentment.

Put them to work - easy peasy but do they want to do the **** work out there. These are the ones in hostels. It would seem obvious that they do because they were so desperate to get here in the first place.

You're not counting the ones who are smuggled in trucks and trafficked who aren't and no record. Those traffickers don't want NI numbers and pocket what they want them to pay back to them.
But the government is funding asylum seekers when they are sitting there waiting for a decision.
 
Yep it doesn't make sense. I'll give you that. Does it ever?
No, and yes our country is a mess and no one is willing to look long term to fix issues. However, there is a difference between not being solved and can't be solved. Many issues could be solved if there was enough will to do so.
 
So just reading up on this and as a refugee you can work and then get an NI number, but asylum seekers have to wait 12 months or more to obtain refugee status in order to get an NI number to be able to work. So, what pile in more money to get them processed/cut red tape so not as long a wait? I am sure Drs on strike not getting their dues will be pleased. Will is is one thing but what it all boils down to is priorities. Asylum seekers are bottom of the pile.
 
Seems quite a few problems generally could be solved if people brought ID with them. I'm sure some must do.

Maybe the government should encourage that as ditching your ID seems really counter productive.
To the UK. To the individual its incredibly important not to have ID with you when you arrive!
 
So just reading up on this and as a refugee you can work and then get an NI number, but asylum seekers have to wait 12 months or more to obtain refugee status in order to get an NI number to be able to work. So, what pile in more money to get them processed/cut red tape so not as long a wait? I am sure Drs on strike not getting their dues will be pleased. Will is is one thing but what it all boils down to is priorities. Asylum seekers are bottom of the pile.

How could the home office speed up the process, when the arrivals do everything they can to not identify who they are and where they come from?
 
Why do you think that is then? Seems more hassle to me

They are coached that way. There are 2 main reasons:

1. Misinformation. You wouldnt believe what these guys are told lies in await for them in the UK. To access this, they are told to dupe the soft big hearted, overly polite brits. They are told to not comply, sit there and wait, and after 4 weeks the government has to legally give them a house and car and help their families get here. Some of these stories are wild, what people dont realise is just how predatory the traffickers are, they are in sales, not smuggling.

2. Identity hiding. A lot of these guys are failed asylum seekers already, some have criminal convictions, and other things to hide, or in some cases they think they have to hide. Ultimately, they just have to exist and not cause trouble, stick to their story and eventually its easier to grant refugee status than deport them.

I would caveat these with the fact that 10s of thousands abscond, and if absconding is a possibility being anonymous adds an extra layer of protection. How does the home office find a John smith, DOB 01/01/2001 from either Northern Africa or middle east?
 
Labour doubling/tripling down on calling people who are against the age verification stuff paedos and Jimmy Saville apologists is certainly.... a tactic
I doubt I'll vote for them again, now, unless they do a pretty severe u-turn on it

Dunno who I would, though, seeing as all parties except Reform are very hot on it, and some want it to go further
Maybe monster raving looney party, they're probably the most sensible of the lot these days
 
Labour doubling/tripling down on calling people who are against the age verification stuff paedos and Jimmy Saville apologists is certainly.... a tactic
I doubt I'll vote for them again, now, unless they do a pretty severe u-turn on it

Dunno who I would, though, seeing as all parties except Reform are very hot on it, and some want it to go further
Maybe monster raving looney party, they're probably the most sensible of the lot these days

The British political spectrum is like a shite boyband. You have two bookends in Farage & Corbyn who are both incapable and two main singers in the middle who can't sing that well.

The whole thing is designed to ensure that power rotates between the Tories and Labour who are both part of the British establishment.
 
Labour doubling/tripling down on calling people who are against the age verification stuff paedos and Jimmy Saville apologists is certainly.... a tactic
I doubt I'll vote for them again, now, unless they do a pretty severe u-turn on it
I've not seen anything since the original ill judged comments.

I'd still vote for them FPTP still requires an element of tactical voting until that goes away mind you due to that I've technically never voted Labour.

This seams such a weird hill to dying on by them though. The online safety act just doesn't work on its goals, young people will still access adult content (like they always have done). I've seen some people saying it stops the very young accidentally seeing it but I'm unsure they ever "accidentally" did.

We seam to be on a very weird moral crusade kick and with Section 28 style advise coming out for schools can't help but think were regressing at least further than 10-15 years.
 
Wasn't it Jess Phillips? I've got a lot of time for her but this wasn't great. The Farage / Saville messaging is definitely coming down from the top.

If you don't like the online safety act you support child abuse seems to be the bottom line. If you need a VPN you are one click away from two midgets with one cup wrestling donkeys in custard.
 
Wasn't it Jess Phillips? I've got a lot of time for her but this wasn't great.
Yeah googled it now I understand why she was asked questions on it given her role. Would like to know how leading it was or if she just bought it up. Point being is if shes asked do you agree with X statement if you say no it can easily be painted the other way.

I think this government is doing some good but on socially liberal side they are shocking at best.
 
Labour doubling/tripling down on calling people who are against the age verification stuff paedos and Jimmy Saville apologists is certainly.... a tactic
I doubt I'll vote for them again, now, unless they do a pretty severe u-turn on it

Dunno who I would, though, seeing as all parties except Reform are very hot on it, and some want it to go further
Maybe monster raving looney party, they're probably the most sensible of the lot these days

Im in a similar boat, at this stage I think a lot of people who have a tiny amount of knowledge about how the Internet works feel the same.

Labour seem to be marketing this to those who dont know what a VPN is, but that number is small and getting smaller.

11 year olds are taught what VPNs are in class.

The young children who could potentially stumble across harmful content are far more likely to come across this material on YouTube, twitch, or online gaming. There are hundreds of example of 'tasteful pron' on these platforms, and sex work camouflaged as art. Then there are the soft pron game channels.

My brothers boy recently subscribed to 3 twitch streamers, he's 12 and all his friends were playing online when one of them began a conversation with a streamer sat in her bikini, in a hot tub... they all subscribed to her channell, there were nip slips and dirty talk, and one managed to subscribe to her only fans before the parents caught it and stopped it all. This all happened in a matter of 2 to 3 days.
 
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Im in a similar boat, at this stage I think a lot of people who have a tiny amount of knowledge about how the Internet works feel the same.

Labour seem to be marketing this to those who dont know what a VPN is, but that number is small and getting smaller.

11 year olds are taught what VPNs are in class.

The young children who could potentially stumble across harmful content are far more likely to come across this material on YouTube, twitch, or online gaming. There are hundreds of example of 'tasteful pron' on these platforms, and sex work camouflaged as art. Then there are the soft pron game channels.

My brother not recently subscribed to 3 twitch streamers, he's 12 and all his friends were playing online when one of them began a conversation with a streamer sat in her bikini, in a hot tub... they all subscribed to her channell, there were nip slips and dirty talk, and one managed to subscribe to her only fans before the parents caught it and stopped it all. This all happened in a matter of 2 to 3 days.

It does make me laugh that as a society we accept a massive cleavage but 1mm of a nipple or areola is taboo. Fine lines eh. Men showing their nipples is very untaboo.
 
It does make me laugh that as a society we accept a massive cleavage but 1mm of a nipple or areola is taboo. Fine lines eh. Men showing their nipples is very untaboo.

It gets so much worse than that, areas of youtube where fully nude women are doing 'artistic' activities and have their subscriptions in their bio.

And that's before we start on all these podcast and street interviews of OF models saying outrageous and overtly sexual things specifically designed to entrap young boys.
 

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