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A Political Thread pt. 2

Apparently according to polls Hamas would win a landslide in the west bank if elections were held tomorrow which is problematic. I imagine most Israelis have shifted right as well.
Tbh I'd question the accuracy of any polling around there but I'm pretty sure the general trend if what you've said is true. Despite their horrific actions, they have won the PR war convincingly and Israel really walked right into their trap. Hamas didn't care if their own population got massacred if it meant they could play victim and isolate Israel internationally.

Israel relies on foreign support. If their demographic crisis worsens (ultra orthodox Jews who don't work becoming a larger portion of the population) and they lose international support, they could become much more vulnerable.

Israel had a lot of sympathy at the start of the war, it's taken a monumental effort to burn through all that and end up with even less support than they had originally.
 
Thought this was worth taking note


"Indeed, almost 90% of the public believes Hamas men did not commit the atrocities depicted in videos taken on that day."
 
Tbh I'd question the accuracy of any polling around there but I'm pretty sure the general trend if what you've said is true. Despite their horrific actions, they have won the PR war convincingly and Israel really walked right into their trap. Hamas didn't care if their own population got massacred if it meant they could play victim and isolate Israel internationally.

Israel relies on foreign support. If their demographic crisis worsens (ultra orthodox Jews who don't work becoming a larger portion of the population) and they lose international support, they could become much more vulnerable.

Israel had a lot of sympathy at the start of the war, it's taken a monumental effort to burn through all that and end up with even less support than they had originally.
Yeah, I’m especially sceptical of polls in Gaza as ordinary Gazans can’t feel free to speak freely (apart from the thousands of extremely inspiring and courageous Gazans who protested against Hamas back around March time) but most people understandably aren’t going to be truthful in those polls. Having said that there will be support for them as well, which, to be honest, is also understandable which is why it’s problematic and why I’m extremely pessimistic for the future.

Israel have, especially since the turn of the year, wasted (well it’s not really wasted as a lot of it is clearly by design) a great opportunity to put this to bed. I personally felt that after Sinwar was killed they could’ve said job done even though pockets of Hamas would’ve remained. But i imagine this is what is so frustrating for the majority of Israelis now, the clear lack of direction and competency and any kind of plan and what the **** the next steps are.
 
Thought this was worth taking note


"Indeed, almost 90% of the public believes Hamas men did not commit the atrocities depicted in videos taken on that day."
4/10 supporting a two state solution. That's lower than I thought.

How do you implement a two state solution if neither side want it. Can it be a solution if the support is so low. Forcing borders and change caused some of this mess in the first place.
 
4/10 supporting a two state solution. That's lower than I thought.

How do you implement a two state solution if neither side want it. Can it be a solution if the support is so low. Forcing borders and change caused some of this mess in the first place.
This is why I laugh at one staters. Neither even trust the other to even have a state of their own how the **** are you going to have 1 state. lol.

I actually thought 4/10 was high. There's an Israeli YouTube guy that just goes around Israel and Palestine asking people questions and most responses re 2 states from Palestinians is no thanks. It's not much better from the Israelis either.
 
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"Indeed, almost 90% of the public believes Hamas men did not commit the atrocities depicted in videos taken on that day."
And around 80+% of Israeli's don't care that Palestinians are starving. I'm failing to see a point you want to make.
 
And around 80+% of Israeli's don't care that Palestinians are starving. I'm failing to see a point you want to make.
I don’t think that’s correct. In fact, it’s exactly the same as the Palestinians, 80+ percent of Israelis probably doubt there are any, or many, starving Palestinians.
 
Hey, that farm was clearly a Hamas command centre with extensive tunnels underneath and the farmer was clearly the leader of at least 59 Hamas cells.
I know you’re joking but the line re the West Bank is what they’re doing isn’t illegal.

They also say it’s “Judea and Samaria” so it’s theirs anyway.

I’m sure there’s other reasons like security as effectively a lot of these settlements in area C act as a buffer but it’s all BS at the end of the day.
 

I bet anyone, that within 12 months there a massive controversy about this, not just the fact police resources are being used to lecture people who they acknowledge arent breaking the law, im thinking more briefing leaks, finding out they avoid certain areas, claims of sexual harassment, or even worse!
 
I should be allowed to shout get your "tits out" at any female jogger i like.

If it's your wife or daughter, who cares.
Because you know freedom of speech, boo hoo, hoo.

In reality yes the police have better things to do. The fact they have to even do this shows how thick people are and can't act live civilised people.

Here's an idea don't shout **** at people.
 
I know you're joking but the line re the West Bank is what they're doing isn't illegal.

They also say it's "Judea and Samaria" so it's theirs anyway.

I'm sure there's other reasons like security as effectively a lot of these settlements in area C act as a buffer but it's all BS at the end of the day.
The International Court of Justice and the Israeli Supreme Court have both ruled the military occupation of the West Bank is illegal. The Israeli government are actively encouraging the invasion and violence by the Israeli settlers.

 
I should be allowed to shout get your "***s out" at any female jogger i like.

If it's your wife or daughter, who cares.
Because you know freedom of speech, boo hoo, hoo.

In reality yes the police have better things to do. The fact they have to even do this shows how thick people are and can't act live civilised people.

Here's an idea don't shout **** at people.

Should men be allowed to approach women in public to ask for their number or socials in an attempt to get to know them better?
 

Ball's in Israel's court now, but I think I can guess what the answer is going to be.

I mean, stop shooting us and we will give you back 25 dead bodies of those we kidnapped tortured and murdered, over a 2 step period 60 days apart while we re group?

Netinyahu's stance is every hostage in one go isnt it?

Can't see this leading to a ceasefire
 
Should men be allowed to approach women in public to ask for their number or socials in an attempt to get to know them better?
Of course they should there's a world of difference asking a female out for a drink.

Should men be allowed to cat call females out running?

And if women are complaining about it who's job is it to deal with it?
 

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