A Political Thread pt. 2

[Ragey Erasmus]

That Mr Farage is NOT the correct answer. What can you do there? Represent your constituents perhaps? Spent more time in the states than his own constituency.

 

[Ddanno]

Bring back wedgies

That's probably why he's been yanked out of school in the first place

 

[Ddanno]

That Mr Farage is NOT the correct answer. What can you do there? Represent your constituents perhaps? Spent more time in the states than his own constituency.

The mask always falls off when someone gets in his grill properly. God I wish Paxman was still around and he was forced on.

 

[ncurd]

The mask always falls off when someone gets in his grill properly. God I wish Paxman was still around and he was forced on.

James O'brien did him a kipper eons ago. I think Johnsons shameful campaign was a tipping point for us. Hiding in a fridge, agreeing to robust interviews and then not doing them. Farage has gone into that playbook quite clearly when he us to speak to anyone willing to put a microphone underneath him.

 

[Ddanno]

James O'brien did him a kipper eons ago.

That was great, even had his PR guy trying to step in and drag him out, but way after he'd already shown his whole arse

 

[Which Tyler]

That Mr Farage is NOT the correct answer. What can you do there? Represent your constituents perhaps? Spent more time in the states than his own constituency.

Is that an admission that he should resign his seat and allow a bye-election?
If he shouldn't be in his constituency, or in Westminster - then what is the point of him being an MP, and why should we pay him to be an MP?

Of course, none of this should be a surprise to anyone who knew his attendance record as an MEP, but...

 

[Which Tyler]

The mask always falls off when someone gets in his grill properly. God I wish Paxman was still around and he was forced on.

GBNews? getting in his grill properly? Asking "why aren't you in parliament?"?
That seems like the softest of soft balls imaginable in response to the senators dragging him over the coals the previous day

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Rayner’s future in balance as firm used to buy flat in stamp duty row says it did not offer tax advice

Report from prime minister’s standards adviser, Laurie Magnus, is due today

www.theguardian.com

No surprise there. Such a small firm wouldn't advise on tax. That's up to Rayner to check with a properly qualified tax advisor before the transaction took place.

FWIW The deeming rule on parents is something most would completely miss without realising it. Always easy to say get advice with the benefit of hindsight. But Rayner just happens also to be housing secretary and deputy PM though. She's been careless at worst.

Her arrangements are, by her own admission, complicated and she was in high public office which brings inevitable scrutiny. Plus it’s not like she’s unfamiliar with advisers - in her day job she takes and challenges advice literally every single day. TBH I’m amazed she wouldn’t dot every i and cross every t in her private affairs.

In my experience, professionals stick to the letter of what they are authorised to do or advise on and are normally very clear on pointing you in a different direction if they think you need specialist advice they can’t give. And mostly will give people options, but also be pretty clear about what they think is most appropriate.

We don’t know the whole story, but while it doesn’t sound like there was a deliberate intent to avoid the tax I think her actions are probably closer to reckless than careless.

It was right for her to go. But it’s not career ending.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Her arrangements are, by her own admission, complicated and she was in high public office which brings inevitable scrutiny. Plus it's not like she's unfamiliar with advisers - in her day job she takes and challenges advice literally every single day. TBH I'm amazed she wouldn't dot every i and cross every t in her private affairs.

In my experience, professionals stick to the letter of what they are authorised to do or advise on and are normally very clear on pointing you in a different direction if they think you need specialist advice they can't give. And mostly will give people options, but also be pretty clear about what they think is most appropriate.

We don't know the whole story, but while it doesn't sound like there was a deliberate intent to avoid the tax I think her actions are probably closer to reckless than careless.

It was right for her to go. But it's not career ending.

Reckless is careless in tax.

Taking reasonable care but made a mistake under declaring, HMRC can go back 4 years and assess the tax underpaid

Carelessness - 6 years.

Offshore tax - 12 years.

Deliberate - 20 years.

But yes, she should also have got advice from her accountant/tax advisor on the transaction.

 

[Saintjay]

The fact she was told to get that advice but didn't was the issue.

Whilst her and others defended the matter as everything was paid, and all appropriate advice was sought.
Which at best was partially true or at worst a lie.

I think it was a mistake, was it deliberate to avoid the 40k. Only one person knows the answer to that.

 

[miccloarch]

This isn't a big deal of course:

Haaretz: Hannibal directive deployed on October 7

Israel can endanger whoever it likes, including its own people, in order to achieve its military goals.

 

[Welsh Exile]

This isn't a big deal of course:

Haaretz: Hannibal directive deployed on October 7

Israel can endanger whoever it likes, including its own people, in order to achieve its military goals.

No it's not a big deal. It's only made out to be a big deal by anti semites who go a step further than the anti semites who say October 7th never really happened, they say it did but the IDF killed most of the people.

 

[miccloarch]

No it's not a big deal. It's only made out to be a big deal by anti semites who go a step further than the anti semites who say October 7th never really happened, they say it did but the IDF killed most of the people.

Weaponized antisemitism.

Criticizing Israel equates to antisemitism because reasons. Very old trick. Nice try though.

 

[miccloarch]

Btw, Arabs are Semitic too.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Weaponized antisemitism.

Criticizing Israel equates to antisemitism because reasons. Very old trick. Nice try though.

Out of the million things you could rightly choose to criticise Israel on and you choose this? I bet you only think a few hundred thousand Jews died in the Holocaust as well. If you don't, what you're saying is the same thing

Out of curiosity, let's say the Hannibal directive was used, how many Israelis do you think the IDF killed out of the 1,300 or so people that died?

 

[miccloarch]

Out of the million things you could rightly choose to criticise Israel on and you choose this?

The list is too long. Atrocity after atrocity.

Out of curiosity, let's say the Hannibal directive was used, how many Israelis do you think the IDF killed out of the 1,300 or so people that died?

Anything more than zero should have been headline news for the "most moral army in the world." Out of the "1300 or so", how many do you think were actual civilians, considering Israel's loose definition of what a Palestinian civilian is and the fact that conscription is mandatory?

 

[Welsh Exile]

The list is too long. Atrocity after atrocity.


Anything more than zero should have been headline news for the "most moral army in the world." Out of the "1300 or so", how many do you think were actual civilians, considering Israel's loose definition of what a Palestinian civilian is and the fact that conscription is mandatory?

So you would consider the Hannibal Directive (if it was even used) to be an atrocity? Not only that but you can't even tell me how many deaths it was responsible for. What about a percentage, 20%? 50?, 80%?

Again, let's say it happened and it was reasonable for the deaths of 3 Israeli citizens, you're saying that should've been headline news over the rest of the people Hamas killed?

Are you saying there's no such thing as an Israeli citizen, were all those people in the Kibbutzes and the Nova festival fair game?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Little fact you're probably unaware of as well. Unlike the vile zealots in the West Bank a lot of the Israelis in the Kibbutzes near Gaza were very left wing Israelis who wanted to help Gazans and have pen pal relationships with them and stuff. Not that that did them any good on October 7th.

 

[miccloarch]

So you would consider the Hannibal Directive (if it was even used) to be an atrocity? Not only that but you can't even tell me how many deaths it was responsible for. What about a percentage, 20%? 50?, 80%?

Again, let's say it happened and it was reasonable for the deaths of 3 Israeli citizens, you're saying that should've been headline news over the rest of the people Hamas killed?

Are you saying there's no such thing as an Israeli citizen, were all those people in the Kibbutzes and the Nova festival fair game?

Your hasbara has improved at least.

Estimates for the number of Israelis the IDF killed on 10/7 ranges in the hundreds but it's impossible to be sure without an independent investigation, which Israel will probably never allow of course. It's not necessarily the amount of people though, it's the absolute hypocrisy of Zionist rhetoric: talking as if it values human life, especially Jewish human life, to an exceeding degree but then making it expendable if necessary. Clearly, "release the hostages" means nothing to the Israeli establishment.

My main point raising all of this is that Israel lies about everything (including of course the whole beheaded babies and mass rape hoaxes), so to say their account of events on and since 10/7 is unreliable would be the understatement of the century, and yet I still see people apologizing for them in the middle of the genocide they're committing as if they're the real and bigger victims.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I think it was a mistake, was it deliberate to avoid the 40k. Only one person knows the answer to that.

It also impacts the penalty position. So she has to pay the £40k SDLT, late interest charge (currently 8% pa) from when it was due and for carelessness 30% of the tax underpaid so £12k. For Rayner that is probably nothing but the fall out from it is much bigger.

Doubt it was deliberate otherwise she’d be looking at 100% penalty. And it is very hard to prove.

HMRC will probably impose 30% given she’s in the spotlight and to send out a message to others. So in Rayner’s words there is not one rule for one, one rule for everyone else.