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[Ragey Erasmus]

Except i have repeatedly criticised it, over and over, your justifying having an argument with your imagination.

Its irresponsible, but absolutely designed to bait his opponents into over reacting, which you are doing lol.

If people would not fall into his trap 3 times a week he would have gone away years ago, I mean how you guys manage to function on a daily basis being this offended and upset I'll never know.

When you act like an offended housewife, you get laughter at, when Republicans did the same with Biden, and Obama, they also get laughed at, and when the opposing team of the next president do the exact same routine, oh marr gooorrrrrdddd this is tyranny shtick, they'll get laughed at too!

But let me ask, where has this hysteria got you? Has it negatively affected him? Reduced his power? Shortened his terms? Benefitted your own life?

I suspect the answer is no, and as you say you are baffled and confused as to how he has stayed in power, well im not, it makes perfect sense, and I think the history books when looking back without emotional will probably agree with me, divisive ******** played the media perfectly, got 2 terms and will go down with a bit of a legacy good and bad...

If museums still exist hahaha

I can't be arsed to deal with your bullshit any more. There is a reason everyone gets fed up with you and it's not because everyone else is at fault. Time you realised that.

Get your head out of your arse

 

[Welsh Exile]

Thats just an intentionally misdirection of my position, you know thats not the argument, so why would you pretend it is?

I’m sure your answer is “hey, I’m not saying you can’t criticise I’m just saying people are over reacting and being hysterical” so do you want to point out where Ragey was hysterical, just so I know what language to avoid in future. I’m keen to see your distinction between criticism and hysteria.

 

[Welsh Exile]

It is strange though, I grant you, how @Ragey Erasmus did not react hysterically to Biden saying “you’ll need F15s to take down my government”

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It is strange though, I grant you, how @Ragey Erasmus did not react hysterically to Biden saying "you'll need F15s to take down my government"

It's part of the wider debate about gun control. The argument that private citizens need guns to take down a tyrannical government buts up against the reality of potentially having to take on the USA armed forces. In any sort of head to head engagement, your average person would need more than they can buy in a gun store. It was pointing that out and not a threat or attempt at trolling. There's no reason to react to that.

What Trump is doing is using violent imagery supposedly to just wind people up at best. That is pathetic behaviour at best and diminishes the office he's holds.

Historically the USA has also ruled that every attempt by people to rise up against the USA government by force has been illegal and has been put down with even greater force, yet they still cling to this fantasy.

 

[Welsh Exile]

It's part of the wider debate about gun control. The argument that private citizens need guns to take down a tyrannical government buts up against the reality of potentially having to take on the USA armed forces. In any sort of head to head engagement, your average person would need more than they can buy in a gun store. It was pointing that out and not a threat or attempt at trolling. There's no reason to react to that.

What Trump is doing is using violent imagery supposedly to just wind people up at best. That is pathetic behaviour at best and diminishes the office he's holds.

Yeah don’t worry I know, I’ve gone through this with Harry. He said he was aware of the context the whole time but thought he would ask you how you reacted as he sees them as the same thing apparently.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Yeah don't worry I know, I've gone through this with Harry. He said he was aware of the context the whole time but thought he would ask you how you reacted as he sees them as the same thing apparently.

Of course he does...

 

[McTallshort]

It's part of the wider debate about gun control. The argument that private citizens need guns to take down a tyrannical government buts up against the reality of potentially having to take on the USA armed forces. In any sort of head to head engagement, your average person would need more than they can buy in a gun store. It was pointing that out and not a threat or attempt at trolling. There's no reason to react to that.

What Trump is doing is using violent imagery supposedly to just wind people up at best. That is pathetic behaviour at best and diminishes the office he's holds.

Historically the USA has also ruled that every attempt by people to rise up against the USA government by force has been illegal and has been put down with even greater force, yet they still cling to this fantasy.

Absolutely, didn't help the native Americans, the African Americans during Jim Crow or the Japanese Americans interned in WW2

 

[dirty harry]

It's part of the wider debate about gun control. The argument that private citizens need guns to take down a tyrannical government buts up against the reality of potentially having to take on the USA armed forces. In any sort of head to head engagement, your average person would need more than they can buy in a gun store. It was pointing that out and not a threat or attempt at trolling. There's no reason to react to that.

What Trump is doing is using violent imagery supposedly to just wind people up at best. That is pathetic behaviour at best and diminishes the office he's holds.

Historically the USA has also ruled that every attempt by people to rise up against the USA government by force has been illegal and has been put down with even greater force, yet they still cling to this fantasy.

Literally my explanation of the scenario...

 

[dirty harry]

I'm sure your answer is "hey, I'm not saying you can't criticise I'm just saying people are over reacting and being hysterical" so do you want to point out where Ragey was hysterical, just so I know what language to avoid in future. I'm keen to see your distinction between criticism and hysteria.

This entire exchange, misquoting, changing the meaning and getting upset by the word 'his'...

Thats hysteria, exaggerated or uncontrolled emotional response, to someone comparing Trumps stupid meme, which has been responded to hysterically, like the other 3 controversies a week for the last 6 months, which i likened to Republicans reaction to Biden saying people would need F15s to beat his government...

I never said Biden and Trump were the same, the hysterical reaction (of which i defended Biden) was the same (to a degree).

The fact we are still on thos kind of proves my point

 

[Welsh Exile]

This entire exchange, misquoting, changing the meaning and getting upset by the word 'his'...

Thats hysteria, exaggerated or uncontrolled emotional response, to someone comparing Trumps stupid meme, which has been responded to hysterically, like the other 3 controversies a week for the last 6 months, which i likened to Republicans reaction to Biden saying people would need F15s to beat his government...

I never said Biden and Trump were the same, the hysterical reaction (of which i defended Biden) was the same (to a degree).

The fact we are still on thos kind of proves my point

First of all, I'm not in the least frustrated by Trumps MEME, it's Trump, if you're not used to his conduct by now you never will. I'm specifically taking issue with you, not Trump.

And yes, a single word can completely alter the meaning of a statement and that's before you even consider the context of said statement.

When you said:

"Did you react like this when Biden said people would need F15s to fight his government?"

I genuinely had never heard of Biden saying such a thing. Now, someone, not me as I knew something was fishy, might've gone "oh, I wonder if Biden had ever been asked a question something along the lines of - Do you intend to step down as president if you lose the next election? and Biden said "You'll need F15s to fight my government"

So imagine someone's surprise when they read the comment and not only find he's not talking about his government at all, in fact he's talking in an abstract sense in relation to a specific argument made in a conversation about gun control.

What I've been asking you, leaving aside your perceptions of anyone's reaction, are the 2 things the same (the meme and the Biden comment)

 

[dirty harry]

First of all, I'm not in the least frustrated by Trumps MEME, it's Trump, if you're not used to his conduct by now you never will. I'm specifically taking issue with you, not Trump.

And yes, a single word can completely alter the meaning of a statement and that's before you even consider the context of said statement.

When you said:

"Did you react like this when Biden said people would need F15s to fight his government?"

I genuinely had never heard of Biden saying such a thing. Now, someone, not me as I knew something was fishy, might've gone "oh, I wonder if Biden had ever been asked a question something along the lines of - Do you intend to step down as president if you lose the next election? and Biden said "You'll need F15s to fight my government"

So imagine someone's surprise when they read the comment and not only find he's not talking about his government at all, in fact he's talking in an abstract sense in relation to a specific argument made in a conversation about gun control.

What I've been asking you, leaving aside your perceptions of anyone's reaction, are the 2 things the same (the meme and the Biden comment)

I never said theybwere the same, I compared the reactions. However if I remember correctly Bidens made the same comment on F15s a few times hadn't he, and mentioned nukes.

There was no framing by me, i stated I defended him in the original comment, then when I responded to your question of context I called it BS.

I called this meme bait, and Bidens I categorised Bidens as a stumbling comment /joke/bait.

You say your not upset by Trump, but you hold some extremely strong and ardent rigid views on who you would call literally Hitler. Thats extremism IMO, and I dont blame you, even on thisnl thread you are bombarded with daily anti Trump articles, posts and hate, its very normal to only view someone as evil after all that, its just disappointing when some of them are absolutely comprehensively debunked as fake, or mistruth you choose to ignore them, and then get upset by the word 'his' when I was clearly using the instance to defend Biden and criticise Republicans hysteria

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Difference is one was hysteria based on nothing, the other is not hysteria based on pathetic trolling. As usual, Harry can't tell the difference.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I never said theybwere the same, I compared the reactions. However if I remember correctly Bidens made the same comment on F15s a few times hadn't he, and mentioned nukes.

There was no framing by me, i stated I defended him in the original comment, then when I responded to your question of context I called it BS.

I called this meme bait, and Bidens I categorised Bidens as a stumbling comment /joke/bait.

You say you’re not upset by Trump, but you hold some extremely strong and ardent rigid views on who you would call literally Hitler. Thats extremism IMO, and I dont blame you, even on thisnl thread you are bombarded with daily anti Trump articles, posts and hate, its very normal to only view someone as evil after all that, its just disappointing when some of them are absolutely comprehensively debunked as fake, or mistruth you choose to ignore them, and then get upset by the word 'his' when I was clearly using the instance to defend Biden and criticise Republicans hysteria

So why did you ask Ragey the question of whether he reacted to Bidens F15 comment? As if to imply “well if you didn’t react to bidens F15 comment the same way you’re reacting to this Trump MEME it just shows your bias.” Kind of thing. That’s framing. You’re framing it in a way as if to say these 2 things are essentially the same thing so if your reaction isn’t the same to both you’re just a sheep or whatever.

Sorry, but as I’ve already said to you (but you ignored) Biden’s F15 comment was not a MEME, or a misspeak or bait. Do you concede that point at least?

Sorry, have I ever said Trump is literally Hitler? Can you also admit that is ******** or point out where I have. Yes I have some strong views on Trump because I love democracy and western values and I see him as a threat to both. That doesn’t mean I have to think he’s literally Hitler (even though he doesn’t exactly help himself when he, you know, directly quotes Hitler) I’ve even said on here I personally think Trump probably isn’t racist (At least not in the traditional sense)

 

[McTallshort]

So why did you ask Ragey the question of whether he reacted to Bidens F15 comment? As if to imply "well if you didn't react to bidens F15 comment the same way you're reacting to this Trump MEME it just shows your bias." Kind of thing. That's framing. You're framing it in a way as if to say these 2 things are essentially the same thing so if your reaction isn't the same to both you're just a sheep or whatever.

Sorry, but as I've already said to you (but you ignored) Biden's F15 comment was not a MEME, or a misspeak or bait. Do you concede that point at least?

Sorry, have I ever said Trump is literally Hitler? Can you also admit that is ******** or point out where I have. Yes I have some strong views on Trump because I love democracy and western values and I see him as a threat to both. That doesn't mean I have to think he's literally Hitler (even though he doesn't exactly help himself when he, you know, directly quotes Hitler) I've even said on here I personally think Trump probably isn't racist (At least not in the traditional sense)

Stop feeding the troll

 

[Welsh Exile]

Stop feeding the troll

I think he genuinely thinks both sides are as bad as each other and therefore most of the things they do are one in the same.

He might be right that peoples reactions can be very similar (we’re humans after all) but to make a false equivalence like he did with the Biden comment as that proves his point how both sides react the same is silly. Different things warrant different responses.

 

[AlRums]

Jair Bolsonaro: How the former president's coup trial has divided Brazil

The ex-president is accused of trying to overturn his election loss but his supporters say it is a witch hunt.

www.bbc.co.uk

I'm putting this here since the orange-utan has interjected in Brazilian justice and politics and the US had a history of supporting dictators in Brazil.

 

[AlRums]

Appeals Court Upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 Million Defamation Judgment Against Trump

A federal appeals court has upheld a civil jury's decision requiring Donald Trump to pay $83.3 million to Carroll.

www.huffpost.com

Strumpet's court cases not getting any better for him

 

[Ddanno]

Appeals Court Upholds E. Jean Carroll's $83.3 Million Defamation Judgment Against Trump

A federal appeals court has upheld a civil jury's decision requiring Donald Trump to pay $83.3 million to Carroll.

www.huffpost.com

Strumpet's court cases not getting any better for him

Nee bovva when you can just steal another $83million from your cult

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The man is a ****.

 

[Saintjay]

Like the US would ever enter a war with anyone on there own.