A Political Thread pt. 2

[Reiser99]

Starmer to protesters: 'Respect grief of British Jews'

The prime minister said pro-Palestinian protests happening at the weekend would cause distress.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is madness you can be pro-Palestine and recognise it like the British government has done whilst protesting the appalling situation in gaza.

Meanwhile utterly condemning making Jewish people unwelcome and attacking them.

(If Jewish people feel unwelcome by a pro-Palestine stance that still supports Israel's right to exist that is unfortunately their problem)

Absolutely no nuance in modern society

 

[Saintjay]

Depends on if you view it as a matter of respect and decency. Some of those on the marches are without doubt anti-semetic and hates Jews. Most certainly they do not support Israels right to exist. That's before you take into account the drain on Police resources following a terrorist attack, the extra resources now needed for Muslim and Jewish places of worship.

Do they have a right to protest yes, is it insensitive i think so. Being a Jew today and over the weekend, the UK isn't probably going to feel the most welcoming of places.

I don't think it's as simple as if you feel upset, in fear or intimidated that's on you. At the moment it's an absolute tight rope. You could apply that logic to people getting upset over a flag be it the cross of st George or a Palestinian flag. I can see why Jews might get upset over one, and Muslims over another.

 

[Welsh Exile]

People were celebrating in the streets the day after October 7th. But apparently Israel had worldwide sympathy from everyone after October 7th.

 

[Reiser99]

People were celebrating in the streets the day after October 7th. But apparently Israel had worldwide sympathy from everyone after October 7th.

You mean everyone was celebrating?

Your statement is ridiculous because it's so general. Did some people celebrate, absolutely. Most people rightly condemned the Hamas attack. However, you can condemn Hamas and the Israeli government at the same time. You can support Palestine's right to exist and Israel's at the same time. Only extremists deal in absolutes that there can be no accommodation ever.

 

[Welsh Exile]

You mean everyone was celebrating?

Your statement is ridiculous because it's so general. Did some people celebrate, absolutely. Most people rightly condemned the Hamas attack. However, you can condemn Hamas and the Israeli government at the same time. You can support Palestine's right to exist and Israel's at the same time. Only extremists deal in absolutes that there can be no accommodation ever.

If I meant everyone was celebrating I would've said everyone was celebrating. Clearly we're talking about a minority of people here but I was pushing back against this idea that in the west Israel had complete support and sympathy from people. You never would have seen even a dozen people in the west celebrating when 9/11 happened and you certainly wouldn't have had anyone questioning America going hard on Afghanistan after they refused to give up Al quada.

In reality, though, I could go further. Only a minority outwardly celebrated but you then had a much larger group who did have "sympathy" for Israel after October 7th but it lasted about 1 or 2 days. It lasted until Israel started to retaliate basically.

Israel is an apartheid state, Zionism is racism, Israel are Nazis, Israel commits genocide. Interestingly all these propaganda points come from the Kremlin during the Cold War but that's by the by, these are other things that literally happened on October 8th from the same people saying they condemn Hamas and October 7th. Seems sus to me.

 

[Which Tyler]

A] You never would have seen even a dozen people in the west celebrating when 9/11 happened
B] and you certainly wouldn't have had anyone questioning America going hard on Afghanistan after they refused to give up Al quada.

A] And yet, you did. Interesting that you're putting a number on that one "a dozen" but not the number of people "dancing in the streets" for October 7th
B] Your memory is obviously very different to mine - mine suggests there were more protests about invading Afghanistan than people celebrating October 7th (just because the protests about invading Iraq were way bigger, doesn't mean that there weren't any for Afghanistan)

 

[Welsh Exile]

A] And yet, you did. Interesting that you're putting a number on that one "a dozen" but not the number of people "dancing in the streets" for October 7th
B] Your memory is obviously very different to mine - mine suggests there were more protests about invading Afghanistan than people celebrating October 7th (just because the protests about invading Iraq were way bigger, doesn't mean that there weren't any for Afghanistan)

Maybe it it, I was a teenager at the time so I will happily stand corrected if there were quite a few celebrations in the west on 9/11. I guess the online dynamic is different these days which is something to consider. Have you got any sources for this. Genuinely interested.

Same for the protests around Afghanistan

 

[dirty harry]

Depends on if you view it as a matter of respect and decency. Some of those on the marches are without doubt anti-semetic and hates Jews. Most certainly they do not support Israels right to exist. That's before you take into account the drain on Police resources following a terrorist attack, the extra resources now needed for Muslim and Jewish places of worship.

Do they have a right to protest yes, is it insensitive i think so. Being a Jew today and over the weekend, the UK isn't probably going to feel the most welcoming of places.

I don't think it's as simple as if you feel upset, in fear or intimidated that's on you. At the moment it's an absolute tight rope. You could apply that logic to people getting upset over a flag be it the cross of st George or a Palestinian flag. I can see why Jews might get upset over one, and Muslims over another.

One could make the argument it wasnt just insensitive, but maliacious.

The same way the request to delay protests and marches on the weekend, to allow police resources to be spent protecting communities was refused.

 

[AlRums]

Hamas says it agrees to release Israeli hostages but seeks changes to US Gaza peace plan

The 20-point proposal seeks to end the fighting immediately in return for the release of hostages and detained Gazans.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hamas military leader in Gaza objects to ceasefire plan, BBC understands

President Trump's proposal, accepted by Israel, stipulates that Hamas disarm and have no future role in governing Gaza.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Apparently there’s only 20 hostages left alive. Rest will be bodies they’ll be releasing in exchange for 1000 Palestinian prisoners. Still a long way to go for “peace.”

 

[dirty harry]

Hamas says it agrees to release Israeli hostages but seeks changes to US Gaza peace plan

The 20-point proposal seeks to end the fighting immediately in return for the release of hostages and detained Gazans.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hamas military leader in Gaza objects to ceasefire plan, BBC understands

President Trump's proposal, accepted by Israel, stipulates that Hamas disarm and have no future role in governing Gaza.

www.bbc.co.uk

10th October right around the corner...

Will this sneak it?

 

[dirty harry]

Apologies for the gb news source, I couldn't find a better more raw clip.

 

[AlRums]

UK will leave ECHR if Tories win election, Badenoch says

The European Convention on Human Rights has become a focal point in debates around changing immigration policy.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Gavin]

UK will leave ECHR if Tories win election, Badenoch says

The European Convention on Human Rights has become a focal point in debates around changing immigration policy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Red meat to their voter base who has gone to Reform

 

[Ddanno]

Oh she's going down the "ARE VETERANS" route now. Tell that to the ex-navy fellas in the hostel about 3 minutes away from me. You didn't give a **** when they were made homeless.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I wonder if they're letting Kemi spout all this nonsense in the press so that in a year or two they can replace her and position themselves as the "sensible" right wing party, compared to the rabid Reform, and hope to win over a more centre right base and distance themselves from their last government

Or is it that giving them too much credit?

 

[Ddanno]

I wonder if they're letting Kemi spout all this nonsense in the press so that in a year or two they can replace her and position themselves as the "sensible" right wing party, compared to the rabid Reform, and hope to win over a more centre right base and distance themselves from their last government

Or is it that giving them too much credit?

Too much credit. They're in tatters as a party and the most likely successor to Bad Enoch is Robert "honest bob" Jenrick

 

[ncurd]

Yeah they're done Johnson knocked out the talent and they've been a nosedive ever since. The issue is their membership have lost their minds and cant elect someone serious.

 

[AlRums]

Red meat to their voter base who has gone to Reform

That's because she's trying to get them back.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

BBC News - GWR fined £1m over train passenger's death in Bath - BBC News

GWR fined £1m over train passenger's death in Bath

Bethan Roper was killed in 2018 when she leaned out of a droplight window on a moving train.

www.bbc.co.uk

Sorry but as a society have we completely abandoned the idea that people should be responsible for their own actions? Surely "don't stick your head out of the window of a moving train" with a sign saying not to do it is pretty ******* common sense and if you proceed to do it anyway, that's your own fault? Kinda tired how we have to pander to the most ******* idiotic of society.