PREM 25/26 - Playoffs

[BathBod]

I think Carreras bottled it. Surely it was his call.

If you watch the last 90 seconds he was consistently calling for the ball, directly under the posts
Dumb forwards blew it for BFC

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

I dont understand the rationale behind those blaming Carreras. First it s that he didnt ask for the ball. Then, when evidence is produced of him desperately asking for the ball, shouting and using his hands, it becomes that he had a better option earlier, and so on...

If he didn’t ask for the ball, then the blame would be on him. Granted (a).
If he asked for the ball, received it, and didn’t take the drop goal, that would also be on him. Agreed (b).
If he asked for the ball but didn’t receive it, then the blame cannot be on him.

(a) and (b) didn’t happen.

 

[Ddanno]

It stank either way. His forwards weren't interested but he didn't have the leadership to get a grip and win it with a kick or sending it wide. Put Russell in there and it doesn't go over ten phases, he pulls the trigger when nothing is happening.

 

[Brown Bottle]

If you watch the last 90 seconds he was consistently calling for the ball, directly under the posts
Dumb forwards blew it for BFC

Hence my follow up post.

 

[Quel Carreleur]

I dont understand the rationale behind those blaming Carreras. First it s that he didnt ask for the ball. Then, when evidence is produced of him desperately asking for the ball, shouting and using his hands, it becomes that he had a better option earlier, and so on...

If he didn’t ask for the ball, then the blame would be on him. Granted (a).
If he asked for the ball, received it, and didn’t take the drop goal, that would also be on him. Agreed (b).
If he asked for the ball but didn’t receive it, then the blame cannot be on him.

(a) and (b) didn’t happen.

Have you tried... watching the match?
Reading what's been posted?
When you say "when evidence is produced" - you seem to think it came as a surprise to people who actually watched the match, and saw (commented?) on it at the time - as if him calling for it is a revelation that completely changes the picture.

You never know, it might help.

At no point did he drop back into the pocket.
He never called for a drop goal.
Yes, he called for the ball - so that he could throw a pass out wide to let the backs have a go - we didn't see a wide angle to know if this was more valid option than letting the forwards do what the forwards have been doing for the last 3 years.
So yes, he asked for the ball - whilst standing in the wrong place to do anything useful with it, and about 20m away from being in the place he SHOULD have been.

His scrum half has also received criticism for not demanding the ball (or having the tryst/authority to be given it on demand)

Carreras & BVDL are not the only player to have been criticised - Ojomoh has been criticised for being too cute (as has Carreras) too close to the defence; Lawrence has been criticised for being too selfish, Spencer has been criticised for being too slow&robotic.
The coach has been criticised for delaying the replacements, and for whatever he said at half time.

Careeras may be Argentinian - but he is not immune from criticism when he manages a game poorly - particularly when he manages the game badly in the closing minutes or a 1 point loss.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

That post reflects a concerning level of misunderstanding. Dont worry, i can help.

you seem to think it came as a surprise to people who actually watched the match, and saw (commented?) on it at the time - as if him calling for it is a revelation that completely changes the picture.

Listen, Sherlock, people are implying he didn’t ask for the ball, so pointing that out seems like the obvious first step. Logic doesn’t appear to be your strongest suit, but try to keep up. Otherwise, the discussion gets a bit dull.

Yes, he called for the ball - so that he could throw a pass out wide to let the backs have a go

Oh yes, of course. Why do we need video, analysts, and commentators at all if our resident Nostradamus can, with pinpoint precision, tell us what would have happened in hindsight?
The criticism i am taking a jab at isnt based on what he actually did, but on what s assumed he would have done. Not quite the same.

Careeras may be Argentinian - but he is not immune from criticism when he manages a game poorly - particularly when he manages the game badly in the closing minutes or a 1 point loss.

That’s a strawman fallacy in logic, the keyword being ‘fallacy’. And I dont think he deserves Arg’s # 10 jersey. So much for allegedly being unwilling to criticise my countrymen.