Japan vs Ireland Kick-off 8.10pm local time/11.10am Irish time

[AlRums]

Yawn. As usual England avoided a major match the weekend before the quarters. As usual others did not, including their co pool teams Australia and Wales. Ireland and France were scheduled to play their big match a week before their QF. RFU and NZRFU scheduled this i.e. they groups games were DEFINED by them. NZRFU to schedule their opponents to play the week before a QF against NZ is boder line corrupt.
Who cares about the nationality of the ref? The scheduling is the point.

England were already out of the rwc by that time having been beaten by Wales and Australia.

Wales v Australia was about who finished top of their group.

Again look things up before pontificating.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Honestly it's no criticism of Ireland. It's more the BS narrative it's the British teams fault and entitlement when clearly it cuts both ways

Which as you said it the comp organisers fault.

Ah yeah - not getting into the conspiracies

 

[Demfad]

England were already out of the rwc by that time having been beaten by Wales and Australia.

Wales v Australia was about who finished top of their group.

Again look things up before pontificating.

The RFU and NZRFU schedulers did not know for certain who would win the pools thats why they scheduled the easiest routes for their respective teams. NZ scheduling Ireland/France the week before the QF was a pretty serious undermining of that world cup. If you recall other scheduling masterpieces our heroes produced was to have Japan play Scotland 4 days after facing SA.
Don't pontificate about scheduling please if youre English or a Kiwi. You are probably being hypocritical.

 

[AlRums]

Honestly it's no criticism of Ireland. It's more the BS narrative it's the British teams fault and entitlement when clearly it cuts both ways. With one person's refusal to acknowledge Japan were shafted

Which as you said it the comp organisers fault.

It is a criticism of Ireland.

The competition was set as 6N + SANZAR + 2 invitational team (Fiji and Japan)

The 10 tier 1 set the rules, the invitationals had to take reduced participation.

https://nationschampionshiprugby.com/en/faq

Check points 11 & 12

 

[Demfad]

So the Japanese team had to do what Ireland refused to do.

The British teams wanted Fiji to play in SA and Arg and presumably refused to play them in their preffered destination of France where their squad was based. Don't be a hypocrite!

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It is a criticism of Ireland.

The competition was set as 6N + SANZAR + 2 invitational team (Fiji and Japan)

The 10 tier 1 set the rules, the invitationals had to take reduced participation.

https://nationschampionshiprugby.com/en/faq

Check points 11 & 12

So it's just as much a criticism of the other 9 tier 1 teams?

 

[AlRums]

The British teams wanted Fiji to play in SA and Arg and presumably refused to play them in their preffered destination of France where their squad was based. Don't be a hypocrite!

Now you're just making things up.

 

[Demfad]

It is a criticism of Ireland.

The competition was set as 6N + SANZAR + 2 invitational team (Fiji and Japan)

The 10 tier 1 set the rules, the invitationals had to take reduced participation.

https://nationschampionshiprugby.com/en/faq

Check points 11 & 12

The points validate the decision to hold certain fixtures in neutral venues for different reasons including logistical.
Points 11 and 12 cover the neutral location of Newcastle for Japan v Ireland for logistical reasons.
Thanks for that!

 

[Demfad]

So it's just as much a criticism of the other 9 tier 1 teams?

And a neutral venue can be chosen for logistical reasons according to points 11 and 12 so all good as far as the Newcastle match is concerned.

 

[Demfad]

Now you're just making things up

You were the one who said Fiji wanted to play in GB which was a total fabrication!!! They wanted to play in France. We must assume that the British teams wanted the Wales, Scotland, England matches in GB. Or will you blame Ireland for that too?
Now we have established that the Newcastle match was fully envisioned by the rules. Now hop along and whinge about something else.

(Remember you come from the country that scheduled Japan to play Scotland 4 days after playing/beating SA. Self righteousness and hypocrisy are two sides of the same coin. Learn your lesson)

 

[AlRums]

So it's just as much a criticism of the other 9 tier 1 teams?

I could argue the Nations Championship is run by Six Nations Rugby which is run by an Irishman

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I could argue the Nations Championship is run by Six Nations Rugby which is run by an Irishman

You'd want some good quality tinfoil to make that argument.

 

[AlRums]

You were the one who said Fiji wanted to play in GB which was a total fabrication!!! They wanted to play in France. We must assume that the British teams wanted the Wales, Scotland, England matches in GB. Or will you blame Ireland for that too?
Now we have established that the Newcastle match was fully envisioned by the rules. Now hop along and whinge about something else.

(Remember you come from the country that scheduled Japan to play Scotland 4 days after playing/beating SA. Self righteousness and hypocrisy are two sides of the same coin. Learn your lesson)

I said no such thing. Again you're making things up.

Fiji had to play elsewhere, I actually at the time didn't know they wanted to play in France.

At the end of the day, they chose stadiums that fit the criteria (25,000+)

Then I assumed they were looking to maximise takings.

What match are you banging on about this time?

 

[AlRums]

The points validate the decision to hold certain fixtures in neutral venues for different reasons including logistical.
Points 11 and 12 cover the neutral location of Newcastle for Japan v Ireland for logistical reasons.
Thanks for that!

Maybe it does, but it doesn't cover logistics for Japan. They had exactly the same journey for "home" advantage.

There was no reason to play in Australia, other than to please Ireland.

 

[AlRums]

You'd want some good quality tinfoil to make that argument.

True, but it's a great conspiracy.

 

[Saintjay]

Never heard a Scotland fan called a Pom before. Let alone a self-righteous and hypocritical one.

 

[AlRums]

Never heard a Scotland fan called a Pom before. Let alone a self-righteous and hypocritical one.

Three insults in one.

 

[Demfad]

Maybe it does, but it doesn't cover logistics for Japan. They had exactly the same journey for "home" advantage.

There was no reason to play in Australia, other than to please Ireland.

https://nationschampionshiprugby.com/en/faq

"..but with certain fixtures hosted at 'neutral venues', some of which are in the Northern Hemisphere.."

Some of the neutral venues are in the Northern implying some are not (i.e. Newcastle).

On a more serious note: I apologize for what Ireland and Leinster have done to you and yours over the years. Are we good cousin?

 

[Demfad]

I said no such thing. Again you're making things up.

Fiji had to play elsewhere, I actually at the time didn't know they wanted to play in France...........

(Reverse Ferret)

 

[AlRums]

(Reverse Ferret)

Quote me

 

[AlRums]

https://nationschampionshiprugby.com/en/faq

Some of the neutral venues are in the Northern implying some are not (i.e. Newcastle).

On a more serious note: I apologize for what Ireland and Leinster have done to you and yours over the years. Are we good cousin?

You're still missing the point, what Ireland refused to do, Japan had to do instead.

Or are you suggesting that that Japan had a lesser journey or logistics than Ireland would have had?

If so, how?

 

[AlRums]

The British teams wanted Fiji to play in SA and Arg and presumably refused to play them in their preffered destination of France where their squad was based. Don't be a hypocrite!

Cite your sources about the British teams wanting to play Fiji in SA, or even the refusal to play on France.

I can't find them at all.

If you can't cite reliable sources, I'll assume they don't exist and that's something else you made up.

This is the nearest thing I've found at rugbyworld.

"Fiji did reportedly investigate playing home games in South Africa or France, but ultimately opted to base themselves in the UK. Indeed, with all three of their July opponents being British sides, it makes sense to play where there’s already an in-built fanbase."

 

[Demfad]

Cite your sources about the British teams wanting to play Fiji in SA, or even the refusal to play on France.

I can't find them at all.

If you can't cite reliable sources, I'll assume they don't exist and that's something else you made up.

This is the nearest thing I've found at rugbyworld.

"Fiji did reportedly investigate playing home games in South Africa or France, but ultimately opted to base themselves in the UK. Indeed, with all three of their July opponents being British sides, it makes sense to play where there’s already an in-built fanbase."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ural-nations-championship-matches-rugby-union

Source for saying that the Fiji matches were envisioned to take place in the neutral venues of South Africa and Argentina
"As per tournament protocols, England’s proposed match with Fiji would take place in either South Africa or Argentina"
and that Fiji wanted to play England in France and other parties mooted London:
"Fiji are hoping to host England in France while Twickenham has also been mooted as a possible venue."
Fiji wanted England in France so I would take an educated guess (Its allowed) that the other party to that match, England, mooted Twickenham? Do you see the logic here?

We don't have minutes of these meetings but the only reliable information on the Fiji situation is as reported by the Guardian.

You're still missing the point, what Ireland refused to do, Japan had to do instead.

Or are you suggesting that that Japan had a lesser journey or logistics than Ireland would have had?

If so, how?

Please provide reliable citation that Ireland refused to play in Japan?
This citation should not include hearsay from Eddie Jones' incoherent ranting e.g. "You know why we’re playing Ireland in Newcastle? Ireland have all the power at World Rugby".

In view of the fact that you appear to regard yourself a righteous man: have you any thoughts on Scotland and the other British rugby nations endorsing Qatar as sponsor for this tournament? Ireland and France voted against due to their shocking human rights record. Surely this is a wrong worthy of your pontification?