A Political Thread pt. 2

[Saintjay]

Why does it matter that police and media credibility is at such a low, that when they make claims there is no evidence to support terrorism, most people just ignore them and continue to call it terrorism and then the anti terror police roll in lol.

Theres no issue in that for you?

Dont you want police credibility to get better?

When did the police say it wasn't terrorism at the start?

Might be a case of initially there's nothing to indicate it was, then they find out the suspects dad, grandma and three cousins are in Combat18 or something.

If they have said at the first stage there's nothing to indicate X,Y,Z at this time. Based on information at the time. Then they would be correct

 

[dirty harry]

I want police to report on evidence they have and not what social media tells them to report

I also want them to report the evidence they have, im not sure if you believe that they do thos now, because most people dont.

 

[dirty harry]

When did the police say it wasn't terrorism at the start?

Might be a case of initially there's nothing to indicate it was, then they find out the suspects dad, grandma and three cousins are in Combat18 or something

A dead right wing politician, proven murdered in this climate is absolutely suspicion of terror and political motivation alone, regardless of any other info.

I believe the initial quote was:

"At this stage, there is no information to suggest this is a politically motivated crime and it is not being treated as terrorism."

 

[TRF_Olyy]

It's honestly staggering that you're advocating for the police to lie to the public to placate right wing twitter bots

 

[Saintjay]

A dead right wing politician, proven murdered in this climate is absolutely suspicion of terror and political motivation alone, regardless of any other info.

I believe the initial quote was:

"At this stage, there is no information to suggest this is a politically motivated crime and it is not being treated as terrorism."

And if there wasn't the evidence at the time they were right.

What do you want them to say. The evidence at the time suggest It might be terrorism, it might not be terrorism. It might be politically motivated It might not be.

That's not how evidence works.

 

[dirty harry]

It's honestly staggering that you're advocating for the police to lie to the public to placate right wing twitter bots

Im confused, were you advocating for the police to lie to the public with the below statement, the one i mimicked? If not how do you honestly go from us both making the same statment to mine flipping 180?



TRF_Olyy said:
I want police to report on evidence they have and not what social media tells them to report

I also want them to report the evidence they have, im not sure if you believe that they do thos now, because most people dont.

 

[dirty harry]

And if there wasn't the evidence at the time they were right.

What do you want them to say. The evidence at the time suggest It might be terrorism, it might not be terrorism. It might be politically motivated It might not be.

That's not how evidence works.

A murdered politician is evidence in itself of a political motive. I want the police to be transparent report what they have, a murdered prominant politician, and they are investigating all aspects of what happened, because thats what they were doing.

Its got to the point where conspiracy rightbwingers on social media are more accurate than they are not when predicting these things, the patterns of police and media behaviour dont fool anyone, and instead kee degrading public trust.

Im astonished anyone here is arguing against integrity and transparency.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Im confused, were you advocating for the police to lie to the public with the below statement, the one i mimicked? If not how do you honestly go from us both making the same statment to mine flipping 180?



TRF_Olyy said:
I want police to report on evidence they have and not what social media tells them to report

I also want them to report the evidence they have, im not sure if you believe that they do thos now, because most people dont.

Please improve your media literacy, it's exhausting trying to hold a conversation with you.

I know it's all an act and none of this is in good faith, but Jesus Christ. You complain people block you but then act like this.

 

[dirty harry]

Please improve your media literacy, it's exhausting trying to hold a conversation with you.

I know it's all an act and none of this is in good faith, but Jesus Christ. You complain people block you but then act like this.

Then cut out the lies you made a claim, i replied with i 'also' want your claim, you are aghast i want the opposite of both of our claims... just be honest, and argue against my stance of wanting the police and media to act with integrity and transparency...

 

[Saintjay]

A murdered politician is evidence in itself of a political motive. I want the police to be transparent report what they have, a murdered prominant politician, and they are investigating all aspects of what happened, because thats what they were doing.

Its got to the point where conspiracy rightbwingers on social media are more accurate than they are not when predicting these things, the patterns of police and media behaviour dont fool anyone, and instead kee degrading public trust.

Im astonished anyone here is arguing against integrity and transparency.

Nobody here is speaking against integrity and transparency.

The police don't predict things they look at what the evidence is telling them at the time. You then pursue reasonable lines of enquiry. Everyone else is just speculating.

If at the time the evidence suggests it's not politically motivated. What do you want the police to say?

 

[dirty harry]

Nobody here is speaking against integrity and transparency.

The police don't predict things they look at what the evidence is telling them at the time. Everyone else is just speculating.

If at the time the evidence suggests it's not politically motivated. What do you want the police to say?

My point is, police communication has subverted trust in dozens of cases recently, im not even talking about their actions in cases like Nowak, or the young lad in Cardiff a few years ago.

When they anounce a murdered prominant politician who is called racist and Nazi daily, as showing no evidence of political motivation, when the situation itself is evidence of political motivation, regardless of surrounding details, they just need to stick to what they know.

They dont know specifics, they are investigating, they will release more when appropriate.

They didnt do that though did they, and we have all seen thebusual suspects eyes light up, Farage was nearly giddy with excitement.

 

[Tomma235]

Whats this got to do with the right lol?

Of course they lie, they have to, the priority is public order, not diseminating accurate information.

I haven't noticed it from the loony left that's all. It's all the people who like to call Starmer Two Tier Kier (I know, the wit makes Wilde pale into insignificance) who say they have been gaslit by the police etc.

 

[Tomma235]

A murdered politician is evidence in itself of a political motive. I want the police to be transparent report what they have, a murdered prominant politician, and they are investigating all aspects of what happened, because thats what they were doing.

Its got to the point where conspiracy rightbwingers on social media are more accurate than they are not when predicting these things, the patterns of police and media behaviour dont fool anyone, and instead kee degrading public trust.

Im astonished anyone here is arguing against integrity and transparency.

At what point did the police say they weren't investigating all aspects of the crime? "There is nothing at this time to suggest terrorism" doesn't say they've ruled it out.

 

[dirty harry]

At what point did the police say they weren't investigating all aspects of the crime? "There is nothing at this time to suggest terrorism" doesn't say they've ruled it out.

The phrase "At this stage, there is no information to suggest this is a politically motivated crime" is ludicrous, of course there is information thisnis a politically motivated crime, theres a murdered prominant politician lol.

More honesty less public management would go a long way, and wouldnt give Farage and his ilk the constant validation they keep getting.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The phrase "At this stage, there is no information to suggest this is a politically motivated crime" is ludicrous, of course there is information thisnis a politically motivated crime, theres a murdered prominant politician lol.

More honesty less public management would go a long way, and wouldnt give Farage and his ilk the constant validation they keep getting.

A murdered politician is not itself evidence the murder is politically motivated. This is really basic critical thinking.

It's the difference between implication and evidence, a difference you repeatedly show you don't grasp.

 

[dirty harry]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...icence-fee-payments-fall-faster-than-expected

Panic incoming at the BBC, i think the increase in scope that makes a TV license required will only leade to big hits at Netflix, Disney, Prime etc... i know id eradicate all, but then id get rid of them if i could now anyway.

They also need to up their enforcment game, the size of the fine scared people for decades, but now everyone knows enforcement are powerless as long as you play the game, the fear has subsided.

Its a digital world, the license is an analogue product still

 

[dirty harry]

A murdered politician is not itself evidence the murder is politically motivated. This is really basic critical thinking.

It's the difference between implication and evidence, a difference you repeatedly show you don't grasp.

Who said evidence? I never, the quote never...

There is absolutely 'information to suggest' political motivation.

The gall to call someone a name while misquoting them purposefully hahaha or do you not understand the difference between evidence and 'information to suggest' ?

A murdered politician is absolutely information to suggest a politically motivated crime no?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Who said evidence? I never, the quote never...

There is absolutely 'information to suggest' political motivation.

The gall to call someone a name while misquoting them purposefully hahaha or do you not understand the difference between evidence and 'information to suggest' ?

A murdered politician is absolutely information to suggest a politically motivated crime no?

"Information to suggest" is what evidence is you cretin.

No it isn't. This is really basic critical thinking. A murdered politician is NOT information to suggest a politically motivated crime any more than the fact she is a woman suggests it was a sexist crime or the fact she was old suggests it was an ageist crime.

Also your own words: "When they anounce a murdered prominant politician who is called racist and Nazi daily, as showing no evidence of political motivation, when the situation itself is evidence of political motivation"

So kindly go **** yourself and cry your crocodile tears elsewhere. YOU said that yourself.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Who said evidence? I never, the quote never...

There is absolutely 'information to suggest' political motivation.

The gall to call someone a name while misquoting them purposefully hahaha or do you not understand the difference between evidence and 'information to suggest' ?

A murdered politician is absolutely information to suggest a politically motivated crime no?

You said

A murdered politician is evidence in itself of a political motive.

 

[Tomma235]

Who said evidence? I never, the quote never...

There is absolutely 'information to suggest' political motivation.

The gall to call someone a name while misquoting them purposefully hahaha or do you not understand the difference between evidence and 'information to suggest' ?

A murdered politician is absolutely information to suggest a politically motivated crime no?

I refer you to your post of 12.27: politician who is called racist and Nazi daily, as showing no evidence of political motivation, when the situation itself is evidence of political motivation

So you yourself said it was evidence. I would prefer the police to put out the minimum information to quell the nutter speculation while they continue with their investigation. It's a shame we have people with so little ability for critical thinking that they have to put any information at all out beyond "our investigation is ongoing"

 

[dirty harry]

"Information to suggest" is what evidence is you cretin.

No it isn't. This is really basic critical thinking. A murdered politician is NOT information to suggest a politically motivated crime any more than the fact she is a woman suggests it was a sexist crime or the fact she was old suggests it was an ageist crime.

Also your own words: "When they anounce a murdered prominant politician who is called racist and Nazi daily, as showing no evidence of political motivation, when the situation itself is evidence of political motivation"

So kindly go **** yourself and cry your crocodile tears elsewhere. YOU said that yourself.

So you agree, there is evidence to suggest it was politically motivated, the same way there is evidence to suggest it was a mysoginistically motivated.

You might disagree on the strength of it, but that still concludes that there is none to be false.

And thats the point, just be transparent no petty arguing and point scoring is going to work here, because the statements false and police trust is degrading more and more.

 

[dirty harry]

You said

A murdered politician is evidence in itself of a political motive.

Bugger off you that was a mistype hahahahaha or better still i was referring to the comment quoted, actually yes lets say that one instead lol

 

[Saintjay]

Who said evidence? I never, the quote never...

There is absolutely 'information to suggest' political motivation.

The gall to call someone a name while misquoting them purposefully hahaha or do you not understand the difference between evidence and 'information to suggest' ?

A murdered politician is absolutely information to suggest a politically motivated crime no?

A politician gets murdered by a spouse or lover because of an affair.

A politician gets murdered because of a drug and gambling debt.

Where's the political motive?

Would you expect the police to say there's a political motive before the facts came to light?

You have no idea what info the police had at first.

 

[dirty harry]

A politician gets murdered by a spouse or lover because of an affair.

A politician gets murdered because of a drug and gambling debt.

Where's the political motive?

Would you expect the police to say there's a political motive before the facts came to light?

You have no idea what info the police had at first.

Exactly, when they get the call, a politicoan has been mirdered, they arrive at the residenxe and find her murdered, before anything other information is considered there is absolutely information that suggests political, no mayter how small. I expect police to be transparent and say they dont know motives etc yet.

Them coming out shouting its not political, not terrorism, the perp is definately white, and please dont speculate is public management, not public information.

Thats my issue, Right wingers keep calling conclusions correctly based on police press conferences, they call it noticing, pattern recognition etc, what it really is is fear of public chaos.

 

[Saintjay]

Exactly, when they get the call, a politicoan has been mirdered, they arrive at the residenxe and find her murdered, before anything other information is considered there is absolutely information that suggests political, no mayter how small. I expect police to be transparent and say they dont know motives etc yet.

Them coming out shouting its not political, not terrorism, the perp is definately white, and please dont speculate is public management, not public information.

Thats my issue, Right wingers keep calling conclusions correctly based on police press conferences, they call it noticing, pattern recognition etc, what it really is is fear of public chaos.

"There is no evidence to suggest there's a political motive at this time"

Can you really not grasp this sentence.

Got any links to the perp is definitely white statement? We'd all be keen to see it.

 

[Quel Carreleur]

Joyeux 14 Juillet, mes amis

 

[Quel Carreleur]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgl20x1ggpo

Twelve arrested over threat to Islamic event​

Twelve people have been arrested over an alleged right-wing terror threat to an Islamic event at a country estate in Suffolk, police said.
Counter Terrorism Policing (CTP) said the UK Ijtima event at Shrubland Hall at Barham was ended early on Sunday as a precaution after the possible threat.
Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said the response of the police in tackling a "credible threat" to the festival had "undoubtedly saved lives".

ARTICLE CONTINUES...

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

So you agree, there is evidence to suggest it was politically motivated, the same way there is evidence to suggest it was a mysoginistically motivated.

You might disagree on the strength of it, but that still concludes that there is none to be false.

And thats the point, just be transparent no petty arguing and point scoring is going to work here, because the statements false and police trust is degrading more and more.

What's wrong with you?

"A murdered politician is NOT information to suggest a politically motivated crime"

Which part of that do you not understand?

 

[Saintjay]

Joyeux 14 Juillet, mes amis
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This was a politically motivated killing.

As the cat resembled Larry from no 10 Downing Street.

 

[Tomma235]

This was a politically motivated killing.

As the cat resembled Larry from no 10 Downing Street.

I reckon Palmerston either did it or paid for it.