A Political Thread

[ncurd]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/jamess-monologue-on-jo-cox-is-a-must-listen-132384

Since he said it its becoming increasingly clear thenough guy had pretty strong right wing tendencies. Also that Jo Cox was likely targeted for her views.

And yes the guy was probably mentally ill you pretty much have to be to commit pre meditated murder of that kind. Still we as nation have to take a damn good look at ourselves at what drove him to it.

 

[austingtir]

I must be a conspiracy theorist but I find the shootings in the states and this one to be pretty convenient media sideshows to direct attention in certain ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEo_RP4t99Y

 

[McTallshort]

I must be a conspiracy theorist but I find the shootings in the states and this one to be pretty convenient media sideshows to direct attention in certain ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEo_RP4t99Y

So this a planned attack by whom?

 

[ncurd]

So this a planned attack by whom?

The remain campaign obviously it's a government plan to guilt us into voting remain on Thursday by politicising the death of a politician for political reasons.

Honestly the amount of people beliving that crap is scary.

 

[McTallshort]

The remain campaign obviously it's a government plan to guilt us into voting remain on Thursday by politicising the death of a politician for political reasons.

Honestly the amount of people beliving that crap is scary.

I know, you wonder what goes though some people's heads.

 

[Thingimubob]

I know, you wonder what goes though some people's heads.

Yupp. Bonkers how much stuff I've seen about Jo Cox's death being a "false flag operation" on behalf of the government / remain camp... Just damn disrespectful to her, and what she stood for.

That said, I shouldn't be surprised, loads of people out there who still believe the 9/11 planes were holograms...

 

[j'nuh]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...der-guards-kill-eight-syrian-refugees-reports

Utterly disgusted.

****ing shooting dead a 6 year old for escaping a warzone.

2.7 million Syrians in Turkey, and we complain about having to have 20,000. :huh:

 

[austingtir]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...der-guards-kill-eight-syrian-refugees-reports

Utterly disgusted.

****ing shooting dead a 6 year old for escaping a warzone.

2.7 million Syrians in Turkey, and we complain about having to have 20,000. :huh:

Not sure what your getting at there. I suppose some of you liberal cuck brits would love to have 2.7million syrians just turn up out of nowhere on your doorstep? But then Erdogan made his bed now he has to lie in it. Turkey is one of the complicit states behind whats gone on in Syria yet the EU is let them away with murder by letting these Refugees pass through borders willy nilly and then on top of that paying them huge sums of money to keep them there!!! The whole thing is extortion!! Erdogan must be laughing his tits off at you lot.

Im totally perplexed how you've come to your point of view on this TBH. I can only suspect you've been brainwashed by decades of propaganda of liberal govts in the UK.

 

[McTallshort]

Not sure what your getting at there. I suppose some of you liberal cuck brits would love to have 2.7million syrians just turn up out of nowhere on your doorstep? But then Erdogan made his bed now he has to lie in it. Turkey is one of the complicit states behind whats gone on in Syria yet the EU is let them away with murder by letting these Refugees pass through borders willy nilly and then on top of that paying them huge sums of money to keep them there!!! The whole thing is extortion!! Erdogan must be laughing his tits off at you lot.

Im totally perplexed how you've come to your point of view on this TBH. I can only suspect you've been brainwashed by decades of propaganda of liberal govts in the UK.

Amen to that! But some on here would think that point of view racist......

 

[Groundhog]

Big loser in Brexit is Britain whatever happens. What a total ****show of embarrassment and sensationalism by both sides. Nearest thing we'll get in this side of the Atlantic with regards sheer ridiculousness to a US presidential election.

 

[ncurd]

Amen to that! But some on here would think that point of view racist......

He thinks Trump is a stand up bloke mate and if you read any of his other posts you'd call a spade a spade at this point.

Not saying you are.

 

[ncurd]

Shooting a 6 year old dead is not really something you can justify in anyour circumstance unless your preventing further loss of life.

When you are partially at fault for the situation that causes people to flee their homes and you are now involved in conflict you have moral responsibility to help them how you can. Do you let 2.7 million of course not but you should let what you can. Is 20,000 too many/less I don't honestly have any facts to tell me what the right number is.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

My main issue is how refugees are never spread out.

It is also the north (bar London) and it is always in areas of already low income.

I'm mean I live in rural England so I can't speak about it really, but I think what a lot of MP's have failed to do is support the areas which are seeing more immigrants, they are expecting communities to carry on using similar services despite having more people and this has lead to a lot of resentment, also I think the government for some time have allowed communities to get to isolated.

I also don't think it is as bad as people say ATM, the majority of come using the commonwealth I think. I also think Sweden and Germany are viewed as better prospects for refugees, really if we and France can somehow sort out Calais I feel that attitudes would change a lot as it has always been the main driving point of the media historically.

I don't like the EU as I think it is to corrupt and to big for its own good, MP's from all over veiw it as a job after they quit being an MP, Governments use it to control other countries with ease look at Germany's treatment of Greece and trying to bring them to its knees. I don't like how Merkal uses it to try and improve her popularity in her own country instead of actually thinking about the pros and cons. I don't see the point of MEP's waste of money how many have been elected with turnout of 50%, how many are used as protest votes?

The EU needs major reform IMO, it needs to get rid of a lot of the extra crap it spends money on and there needs to be proper measures of accountability in it, how Merkel is pretty much in charge despite only being elected in Germany due to crappy alternatives.

 

[j'nuh]

Amen to that! But some on here would think that point of view racist......

Congratulations, it's not racist. It's still a poor attitude directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of refugees.

 

[McTallshort]

Shooting a 6 year old dead is not really something you can justify in anyour circumstance unless your preventing further loss of life.

When you are partially at fault for the situation that causes people to flee their homes and you are now involved in conflict you have moral responsibility to help them how you can. Do you let 2.7 million of course not but you should let what you can. Is 20,000 too many/less I don't honestly have any facts to tell me what the right number is.

Who's partially responsible? I know Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia are a big cause of the problems in Syria and also the shiite government in Iraq but who else?

 

[ncurd]

Who's partially responsible? I know Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia are a big cause of the problems in Syria and also the shiite government in Iraq but who else?

You don't think our intervention's in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't have anything for the rise of ISIS? Honestly? If you don't take a quick gander at the history of some of their leaders.

Not saying its mostly our fault just we have to bear some of the responsibility.

 

[McTallshort]

You don't think our intervention's in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't have anything for the rise of ISIS? Honestly? If you don't take a quick gander at the history of some of their leaders.

Not saying its mostly our fault just we have to bear some of the responsibility.

I don't see how our intervention in Iraq caused the situation in Syria. I would say our operation to stop Iran backed groups from destabilizing the south of Iraq did the opposite of what you are suggesting. As for Afghanistan the situation there is more tribal and is completely isolated to Syria. The Syrian civil war started because of the Arab spring and a brutal dictator unwilling to compromise. ISIS has risen from the old Sunni Basc party backed by the Saudis who were frozen out by the elected shiite government backed by Iran. The whole thing is a middle easten power play and to say it's our fault is ignoring the facts and the history of the middle east

 

[austingtir]

He thinks Trump is a stand up bloke mate and if you read any of his other posts you'd call a spade a spade at this point.

Not saying you are.

I just think Trump is a better option than Hillary not that he's a stand up bloke or anything of the sort. Hes controlled by jews and money just like everyone else even though he says he isnt.

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I don't see how our intervention in Iraq caused the situation in Syria. I would say our operation to stop Iran backed groups from destabilizing the south of Iraq did the opposite of what you are suggesting. As for Afghanistan the situation there is more tribal and is completely isolated to Syria. The Syrian civil war started because of the Arab spring and a brutal dictator unwilling to compromise. ISIS has risen from the old Sunni Basc party backed by the Saudis who were frozen out by the elected shiite government backed by Iran. The whole thing is a middle easten power play and to say it's our fault is ignoring the facts and the history of the middle east

The intervention in Iraq contributed to ISIS coming to being. Even top level US generals and officials have mentioned this BEFORE it even came to be well before 2000 and AFTER. That is fact. Theres videos of top level US personnel on video stating exactly what would happen if they intervened fully in Iraq which is one reason why the original Bush admin never finished the job as they were **** scared of the consequences. The US knew exactly what would happen once Saddam was knocked off his perch.

As for Afghanistan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU2moizkfGk The take about 1/2 an hour from the end regarding british forces not knowing what the hell was going on is particularly interesting.

Basically my personal opinion is the main reason (but not only) the whole thing was started to stop Syria,Iran and Russia from building that oil pipeline aswell as China getting in on the whole gig.

 

[Tony Manx]

I don't like the EU as I think it is to corrupt and to big for its own good, MP's from all over veiw it as a job after they quit being an MP, Governments use it to control other countries with ease look at Germany's treatment of Greece and trying to bring them to its knees. I don't like how Merkal uses it to try and improve her popularity in her own country instead of actually thinking about the pros and cons. I don't see the point of MEP's waste of money how many have been elected with turnout of 50%, how many are used as protest votes?

The EU needs major reform IMO, it needs to get rid of a lot of the extra crap it spends money on and there needs to be proper measures of accountability in it, how Merkel is pretty much in charge despite only being elected in Germany due to crappy alternatives.

Exactement!!

Add in more corruption in terms of power never mind money that makes a banana republic look clean. Also prolific are waste such as having to go to Strasburg to take a vote and the CPA for two blatant examples!!

 

[austingtir]

So another nutcase tried to assassinate trump this time. You lot arent content with knocking off your own pollys obviously?