A Political Thread pt. 2

[Reiser99]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70g9rw58q2o

Well this will end well...

 

[Tomma235]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70g9rw58q2o

Well this will end well...

Tories still trying to out-Reform the Reform party

 

[BathBod]

Birds of a feather.........................
Reform would never have him in the Party.
Rupert's mob.....maybe.

 

[Saintjay]

Birds of a feather.........................
Reform would never have him in the Party.
Rupert's mob.....maybe.

Horrible for the Tories but probably not Nazi enough for Nigel, on this particular Reform Nazi dear Nigel said -

Nigel Farage stood by him, conceding the image "looked terrible" and he "wouldn't approve of it" but said he would not be kicked out of Reform.

What was you saying about birds flocking together? Who needs principles for 5 million or when you like to say Hitler was right, or gas them all.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

"Appearing" is doing some heavy lifting there, what else is he doing?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

"Appearing" is doing some heavy lifting there, what else is he doing?

He had an itchy upper lip whilst waving to a friend. Jumping to conclusions only helps the far right.

 

[Welsh Exile]

He had an itchy upper lip whilst waving to a friend. Jumping to conclusions only helps the far right.

Agreed. It’s the overreaction of the left that is the reason they have got so popular in the first place.

 

[Welsh Exile]

At the moment

A convention is not a law. It's a custom. It used to be a common custom across Europe to burn witches at the stake.



It is not a trade war - it is a final resort if diplomatic negotation is unsuccessful. Given that your UK Govts have already spaffed £millions to the French to enforce border control without effect it is logical to conclude that a different approach is required.
D'you reckon?

To enforce a border you kinda need to have good relationships with other countries. You can’t just go “**** France we’re getting the navy to drop off people on French beaches” as, you know, the French might take some issue with that.

It’s one of the many reasons that having unions and agreements with allies is kinda cool. Keeps us all on the same page as opposed to being at each others throats again.

 

[Reiser99]

To enforce a border you kinda need to have good relationships with other countries. You can’t just go “**** France we’re getting the navy to drop off people on French beaches” as, you know, the French might take some issue with that.
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It’s one of the many reasons that having unions and agreements with allies is kinda cool. Keeps us all on the same page as opposed to being at each others throats again.

Pfft, working together will never catch on. Let's only care about ourselves, sod everyone else.

 

[Quel Carreleur]

To enforce a border you kinda need to have good relationships with other countries. You can’t just go “**** France we’re getting the navy to drop off people on French beaches” as, you know, the French might take some issue with that.

It’s one of the many reasons that having unions and agreements with allies is kinda cool. Keeps us all on the same page as opposed to being at each others throats again.

I for one, can't see any problems that might arise from British warships entering French territorial waters without permission, and having people jump off the deck and wade up the beach.
No problems at all.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I for one, can't see any problems that might arise from British warships entering French territorial waters without permission, and having people jump off the deck and wade up the beach.
No problems at all.

Do we even have warships anymore? The people smugglers will have more sophisticated dinghy’s than us in a few years

 

[Tomma235]

Do we even have warships anymore? The people smugglers will have more sophisticated dinghy’s than us in a few years

We have 3. There are two aircraft carriers with no support vessels and there's HMS Dragon wherever that currently is. And people complained about giving up Diego Garcia, we haven't got enough navy to keep Portsmouth busy.

 

[Quel Carreleur]

Do we even have warships anymore? The people smugglers will have more sophisticated dinghy’s than us in a few years

IIRC We've got an aircraft carrier - just no aircraft

 

[Welsh Exile]

I’m sure it’ll all work out.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I for one, can't see any problems that might arise from British warships entering French territorial waters without permission, and having people jump off the deck and wade up the beach.
No problems at all.

If it was good enough for d-day, it's good enough for now.

 

[Tomma235]

If it was good enough for d-day, it's good enough for now.

Weren't the ships met with incredibly heavy machine gun fire that day?

 

[Saintjay]

It'll be fine French main battle tanks only have a reverse gear.

 

[Tomma235]

It'll be fine French main battle tanks only have a reverse gear.

The Leclerc actually has a more rapid firing capability than our Challengers although it's not as heavily armoured. In a relatively confined space I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of one though

 

[Saintjay]

The Leclerc actually has a more rapid firing capability than our Challengers although it's not as heavily armoured. In a relatively confined space I wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of one though

The Leclerc is OK, maintenance is meant to be a nightmare. I prefer the survivability and sniper rifle on tracks aspect of the Challenger.

Germans still the best, and shameful the French haven't given any Leclerc's to the Ukraine

 

[Tomma235]

The Leclerc is OK, maintenance is meant to be a nightmare. I prefer the survivability and sniper rifle on tracks aspect of the Challenger.

Germans still the best, and shameful the French haven't given any Leclerc's to the Ukraine

The French didn't really seem to give thought to heavy armour preferring manoeuvrability. We went for big and heavy, the Germans went for everything: firepower, armour and speed.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

A blow to Reeves Starmer Burnham
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/knife-crime-homicides-fall-to-30-year-low

 

[Tomma235]

A blow to Reeves Starmer Burnham
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/knife-crime-homicides-fall-to-30-year-low

Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to point out that more idiots are having their phones nicked

 

[Saintjay]

But, but, if we had more guns we'd have less knife crime.......

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Weren't the ships met with incredibly heavy machine gun fire that day?

Details

 

[mackerzz]

Details

Lead, Steel, & Gunpowder to be precise

 

[Amiga500]

IIRC We've got an aircraft carrier - just no aircraft

Got it spot on 20 years ago

 

[dirty harry]

Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to point out that more idiots are having their phones nicked

Actually i was going to laugh at the manipulated stats lol.

Im pro the knife amnesty, despite the vast majority of surrender being kitchen knives, however claiming the numbers have dropped 11% from rhe last GE is just as true as the numbers have increased from 2023 to 2026 lol, or the first full year the stats were compiled by the ONS under a Labour government the numbers were bumber high, up 8% from tye Tory government the year previous.
But ultimately none of these facts tell a true story.

The ONS runs numbers, yearly recorded incidents and in the last 6 years they have always ranged from 48k to 55k. 2020 being the bumber 55k under Tories, last year under Labour being the next bumper 53k, the rest have potered around the 49k mark, with 2023 being the lowest (all hail the Tories?, no? Noone? Didnt think so.).

So cgerry picking mid year numbers, and comparing them to cherry picked numbers at a time that suits, to make a report making you look good isnt exactly the win it seems, but it does fool the stupid.

So you have to decide which you are, someone who looks at the bigger picture, and analyses whats being claimed with critical thinking... or a seal clapping with its tongue hanging out.

Ill let you decide.

 

[dirty harry]

So what is the agenda behind these questions?

Lile or loathe milliband, poor fucker having to put up with a UK press that looks to sow division and issues with the worlds super power.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So what is the agenda behind these questions?

You tell us, you watched it and posted it

 

[dirty harry]

You tell us, you watched it and posted it

I know my thoughts, i was hoping for a thoughtfull and insightful contribution from yourself, and others.