A Political Thread pt. 2

[TRF_Olyy]

Did they?

Yes

Unless cyprus is now in the middle east?

It's our jump off point for anything that happens out there so is our defacto ME base

 

[Welsh Exile]

Wonder what the popularity of this is amongst Israel's. The Gaza war is losing appeal and Netenyahu in general doesn't have the support of the majority of citizens I don't believe but I think generally attacking Iran has so maybe this is a populist type ploy to garner favour AND keep him out of jail (for a bit longer at least)

 

[Amiga500]

Yes


It's our jump off point for anything that happens out there so is our defacto ME base

All I'd seen was them saying British forces were fair game if they defended Israel.


It might be the defacto middle east base. But it's not like they are being parked in Kuwait.

 

[BrokenWing]

It might be the defacto middle east base. But it's not like they are being parked in Kuwait.

What's the difference? They have the same effect in either place so give the same message.

 

[McTallshort]

All I'd seen was them saying British forces were fair game if they defended Israel.


It might be the defacto middle east base. But it's not like they are being parked in Kuwait.

Lots of Russians in Cyprus....

 

[dirty harry]

Internet was already available in Iran - just through normal means, not via Elon

It was turned off on Friday apparently. All social media and communication links, however some websites are still active.

Iran does have form for this, 2023, 2022, 2019 they created blackouts to stop communications for the public.

 

[dirty harry]

Wonder what the popularity of this is amongst Israel's. The Gaza war is losing appeal and Netenyahu in general doesn't have the support of the majority of citizens I don't believe but I think generally attacking Iran has so maybe this is a populist type ploy to garner favour AND keep him out of jail (for a bit longer at least)

The optimism that Netinyahu will face jail at some point...

We all know how those hearings go, especially those who are allied to the USA...

though

 

[dirty harry]

Why would the Iranian people rise up just because they had internet access?

Jeez...

Iranians are always revolting, 2022, 2019, civil unrest is rife.

Living standards have deteriorated, the promises Pezeshkian made havnt been followed through on, the Hijab is still mandatory, social media remains banned, foreign imports are still limited, and the promise of negotiations with Trump were blocked.

Irans people are not happy.

 

[General Melchett]

Iranians are always revolting

Bit harsh

 

[dirty harry]

Bit harsh

I read it back quickly and thought the same lol **** it, i said it, I'm too relaxed to go check if I've used it correctly in this context, or made it up, or my xenophobia just slipped out hahahaha

 

[dirty harry]

So ok, balls on the chopping block...

What are posters views on the US initiative of deporting undocumented en masse?

 

[Amiga500]

What's the difference? They have the same effect in either place so give the same message.

Aside from Cyprus being ~400 km beyond Israel from Iran rather than en route?

Not much I guess.

 

[Ddanno]

I wouldn't have thought many countries in the Middle East proper would be keen on painting another target on their back by hosting Western jets and troops.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I wouldn't have thought many countries in the Middle East proper would be keen on painting another target on their back by hosting Western jets and troops.

I wouldn't have thought Iran would be all that determined to drag other countries into potential conflict that they already are losing.

 

[Ddanno]

I wouldn't have thought Iran would be all that determined to drag other countries into potential conflict that they already are losing.

Quite.
My comment was about the RAF base being in Cyprus as opposed to ... God knows where else. Jordan is probably the most stable (now and historically) but that's largely because they've chosen to remain neutral. Sticking a load of jets near Petra probably wouldn't be a popular decision in the region. Cyprus is about the only viable option it seems.

 

[General Melchett]

As much as I don't like Netanyahu and his motives the Israeli military is like the Canelo Alvarez of militaries - pound for pound probably the best in the business. For a country with such a small population they are kicking Iran's arse. Highly efficient and battle hardened.

Israel 9m people v Iran 90m people.

 

[General Melchett]

Quite.
My comment was about the RAF base being in Cyprus as opposed to ... God knows where else. Jordan is probably the most stable (now and historically) but that's largely because they've chosen to remain neutral. Sticking a load of jets near Petra probably wouldn't be a popular decision in the region. Cyprus is about the only viable option it seems.

Taking about Cyprus, I have always thought it is a model Israel and Palestine could have followed with the right diplomacy. Northern Cyprus is administered by Turkey and has a UN buffer zone between it and the south. It may lack universal recognition but is a good example of how a status quo can be maintained peacefully. People can cross the border in either direction easily and without harassment. You can literally walk through the crossing points with a quick passport check at both ends.

 

[Ddanno]

Taking about Cyprus, I have always thought it is a model Israel and Palestine could have followed with the right diplomacy. Northern Cyprus is administered by Turkey and has a UN buffer zone between it and the south. It may lack universal recognition but is a good example of how a status quo can be maintained peacefully. People can cross the border in either direction easily and without harassment. You can literally walk through the crossing points with a quick passport check at both ends.

Not a bad shout but it would probably take (even before all of this) a century to calm the hatred and bitterness enough on both sides to make it workable.

To state the bleeding obvious I'm starting to think Israel has absolutely ****** itself by being so aggressive. It's always been the case but the more parents they kill, the more individual enemies they create and radicalise - and right now there's 55,000+ dead in three countries

 

[General Melchett]

Not a bad shout but it would probably take (even before all of this) a century to calm the hatred and bitterness enough on both sides to make it workable.

To state the bleeding obvious I'm starting to think Israel has absolutely ****** itself by being so aggressive. It's always been the case but the more parents they kill, the more individual enemies they create and radicalise - and right now there's 55,000+ dead in three countries

Yeah I think Israel have gone so ball deep that the only option now is regime change in Iran otherwise it's going to be a shitshow for decades. Iran look pretty isolated with no countries coming out and saying they will support them - including it's supposed buddy Russia. Turkey also have good relations with Iran and are staying quiet so far.

 

[Ddanno]

Yeah I think Israel have gone so ball deep that the only option now is regime change in Iran otherwise it's going to be a shitshow for decades. Iran look pretty isolated with no countries coming out and saying they will support them - including it's supposed buddy Russia. Turkey also have good relations with Iran and are staying quiet so far.

Even with regime change they'll be dealing with lone wolves and more determined and motivated paramilitaries forever. Iran might fall but Hamas, the Houthis and who only knows what organisation(s) form out of the ashes will find funding and arm themselves somehow. It's going to be very very grim imo.