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Ohhhhh, he's a punk dude.
Sounds like a tool to be honest. Actually, to be fair to the quinoa eating crowd, it didn't sound like much more than a thousand or 2 chanting along with him.
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Sounds like a tool to be honest. Actually, to be fair to the quinoa eating crowd, it didn't sound like much more than a thousand or 2 chanting along with him.
*they're punk dudes
Very lame novelty but the band is Bob Vylan and the two members stage names are Bobby Vylan and Bobbie Vylan
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Without excusing everyone I think it was just singalong crowd compliance many of whom were high or drunk. He could have sang Death to bad breath and people would have sang along.
Certainly no patch on what Freddy Mercury did with his Ehhhh ohhhh at Live aid.
Allegedly they use the names to avoid the British Surveillance State.
As far as I know they also said "Sometimes you need to use violence" or similar.
I can't help but feel that if I posted similar on twitter. Also asking for death to x y or z group. Men in pointy hats would be knocking on my door for a interview without tea and biscuits.
Law wise is there a difference on definition for inciting violence compared to what that women did. I guess that's for the Police and legal beagle's. As I'm not sure without reading the definitions.
As far as I know they also said "Sometimes you need to use violence" or similar.
I can't help but feel that if I posted similar on twitter. Also asking for death to x y or z group. Men in pointy hats would be knocking on my door for a interview without tea and biscuits.
Law wise is there a difference on definition for inciting violence compared to what that women did. I guess that's for the Police and legal beagle's. As I'm not sure without reading the definitions.
What you don't see a difference between this and someone saying set hotels on fire with refugees in them (and people actually tried to do that a few days later)
I feel people forget what exactly that woman said..
Incitement is a difficult one....I guess the question should be around audience, are they likely to take up the call to arms? The festival did not lead to some people immediately killing members of the IDF.
Trump's speech as another example is people did immediate march on the Capitol.
No that's not what I mean. Based on legal definition is there a difference to inciting violence in both cases other than mitigation and intent
Take the theft act - dishonestly appropriating property belonging to another with the intention of permanently deprived the owner of it.
Mum steals two chocolate bars from Asda to feed her kids
Mum steals two chocolate bars to buy drugs.
Under the definition both are theft as the intent was to steal. The rest is mitigation and something the court would take into account but ultimately both were theft by definition
In this case I'm guessing intent is a big part. But so is causing fear or provocation to someone. I don't think the outcome of the words has any impact on the definition. It only needs someone to say I felt fear because they said X Y Z. Then you'd look at intent etc in this case.
But they are worded massively different
Let's remind ourselves
She was literally calling for hotels to be burned down with civilians inside right?
Now what did Bobby Vylon say? And what was it calling for people to do? (It was a dumb thing to say but the comparison is none existent for me)
Let's remind ourselves
She was literally calling for hotels to be burned down with civilians inside right?
Now what did Bobby Vylon say? And what was it calling for people to do? (It was a dumb thing to say but the comparison is none existent for me)
And said it during literal riots, as opposed to at a music festival
Calling for the death of Israelies at a music festival probably not the best idea.
I can kind of see why Jews are a tad sensitive about it.
Does he call for the death of Israelis or the death of a military faction?
Might depend on how you view how he said it
Might depend on how you view how he said it
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Especially when you consider the distasteful irony of shouting this at Glastonbury when you think of the Nova festival. Hamas would love nothing more than to wipe out every single person at Glastonbury.
I imagine when Jews hear this all they hear is either “death to the Jews” or “death to the only thing protecting Jews from another Holocaust”
You mean like Israel has wiped out Gaza?
You can have a miltary force that doesn't commit war crimes and atrocities you know
Is a catch all for the Israel military as far as I know. Part of the requirements of a jewish citizen. So I think you are safe to say most of the IDF are jews
Would it be different if he said death to Palestine / Hamas the British Army or death to PIRA.
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Well I'd say there's a big difference there but we will likely not agree.
Can you? Not being funny but I doubt there's been a single war in history that hasn't involved war crimes or atrocities.
Doesn't make any of them right.
But this one is probably the worst since Kosovo.
But this one is probably the worst since Kosovo.
But again does he call for the death of individuals or even a group or is it an establishment/faction? (I’m not saying he was but at the same time when talking of intent I just don’t see the comparison)
What is it possible to not kill innocent civilians as they try to get aid like the Haaretz paper are reporting?
Yeah it’s possible..
That's the tricky part it's down to intent. Honestly I don't know how legally that will fall. Or if that faction group is made of a majority of a specific race/group/religion how that shakes out.
That's why I used PIRA (IRA) as an example. Would chanting for there death be seen as racist etc. They were just the military wing of Sinn Fein after all. But still majority Catholic and Irish i believe
Again don't know if there's a difference or not.
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It’s possible sure but as I say, the reality of war (especially urban war) means things like this are likely to happen that doesn’t make it right, obviously, but it’s just a reality of war. As I say, even in armies that don’t insist on everyone of their civilians to serve 2 years in the army, are always still going to attract some nutters. This is increased 3 fold in Isreal as just on averages they must have at least 10% of their army made up of criminals. (I just plucked that figure out of my arse obviously- could be more or less than that)
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