A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

4. Many people didn't think Brexit would win and used it as a protest vote. If those people voted how they actually wanted rather than just trying to give two fingers to the government it could well have swung it.

I think many people underestimate quite how much the protest vote is a thing. You only have to look at local & European elections and how often that support doesn't carry on to general elections.

 

[dirty harry]

Tbh, it was a range of factors.

1. Misjudged the public sentiment.
2. Remain ran an awful, negative, fear mongering campaign against a positive, here's what you'll get Brexit campaign (although majority of it was lies)
3. Remain didn't have populist figures leading them and many politicians did not get fully on board.
4. Many people didn't think Brexit would win and used it as a protest vote. If those people voted how they actually wanted rather than just trying to give two fingers to the government it could well have swung it.

I think number 2 is incredibly pertinent point, and is a problem with today's politics. The right seem to campaign on being proactive, the left campaign on negative sentiment to the right. It's almost like one side has a vision, and the other says that vision is bad, and offers no vision of their own.

Number 4 id disagree with, id say the negativity toward Brexit currently would be to the negotiation failures, not the convenient idea they didnt know what they voted for. The protest vote was certainly true, but it was a protest vote for specific things.

There's a bit of a trend currently, of 'dont threaten me with a good time' and 'promises made, promises kept' with regards to right wing ideas that come to fruition, this is what worries me about Farage.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think number 2 is incredibly pertinent point, and is a problem with today's politics. The right seem to campaign on being proactive, the left campaign on negative sentiment to the right. It's almost like one side has a vision, and the other says that vision is bad, and offers no vision of their own.

Number 4 id disagree with, id say the negativity toward Brexit currently would be to the negotiation failures, not the convenient idea they didnt know what they voted for. The protest vote was certainly true, but it was a protest vote for specific things.

There's a bit of a trend currently, of 'dont threaten me with a good time' and 'promises made, promises kept' with regards to right wing ideas that come to fruition, this is what worries me about Farage.

I agree the remain campaign wasn’t good and focused on the negatives too much but the leave campaign also ran a campaign of fear re EU army, mass immigration (breaking point poster and how it will get worse) and culture war stuff about British culture being eroded

 

[General Melchett]

I agree the remain campaign wasn't good and focused on the negatives too much but the leave campaign also ran a campaign of fear re EU army, mass immigration (breaking point poster and how it will get worse) and culture war stuff about British culture being eroded

"The Turks are coming" was literally a Vote Leave slogan. Fear mongering and disinformation of the highest order.

 

[ncurd]

"The Turks are coming" was literally a Vote Leave slogan. Fear mongering and disinformation of the highest order.

I think the Vote Leave guff I got through the post was a bunch of lies and definitely negative campaigning.

 

[Reiser99]

There definitely was fear mongering on both sides, but Leave actually tried to paint a benefits side too that Remain just didn't do.

 

[Welsh Exile]

"The Turks are coming" was literally a Vote Leave slogan. Fear mongering and disinformation of the highest order.

Yeah, I remember the outage about that.

The idea of a EU army doesn’t sound to bad either now to be honest.

 

[General Melchett]

Also, "Take back control" was a masterstroke of a slogan despite it only being three words. Another battle that Remain lost.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

And peeps voting based on “feelings.” All the above really played into this and swung the vote.

 

[McTallshort]

The idea of a EU army doesn't sound to bad either now to be honest.

Very true but you would have the same problem you had with NATO in that countries like Germany not pulling their weight and the likes of Ireland and Austria happy for everyone else to defend their neutrality. I'm really not sure it would have worked.

 

[Saintjay]

Also, "Take back control" was a masterstroke of a slogan despite it only being three words. Another battle that Remain lost.

Three word slogans just seems the go to now. Not sure how many cut through.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Very true but you would have the same problem you had with NATO in that countries like Germany not pulling their weight and the likes of Ireland and Austria happy for everyone else to defend their neutrality. I'm really not sure it would have worked.

Yeah fair point. But like my well thought out drug policy, might as well give it a crack and see how it pans out.

 

[General Melchett]

Three word slogans just seems the go to now. Not sure how many cut through.

Get Brexit Done
Stop the Boats

Here's a new slightly longer one:

Change our political system

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Get Brexit Done
Stop the Boats

Here's a new slightly longer one:

Change our political system

Too many syllables. Wouldn’t cut it IMO.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

And shat himself on the night of the Brexit vote thinking they'd lost. Seems to have been completely written out of history and forgotten about by mainstream media.

He also said the result would not be binding or the final answer when he thought remain would win. Changed his tone very quickly when leave won. Almost like he's a massive hypocrite.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Three word slogans just seems the go to now. Not sure how many cut through.

Love the fact that three word slogan is itself 3 words.

 

[McTallshort]

Yeah fair point. But like my well thought out drug policy, might as well give it a crack and see how it pans out.

Taking what drug?!

 

[dirty harry]

Also, "Take back control" was a masterstroke of a slogan despite it only being three words. Another battle that Remain lost.

Every marketing idea is based on the same trends...

Look at every Rugby union, 'team of us' 'we're all in' 'strength through unity' etc...

Modern day marketing is so bad!

 

[Ddanno]

Taking what drug?!

They're all good

 

[Reiser99]

Too many syllables. Wouldn't cut it IMO.

Fairer voting system?