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A Political Thread pt. 2




 

This happening hours after Netanyahu's presser almost feels like a middle finger to all the countries criticising him for the starvation in Gaza and for his plans to take control of the whole Gaza strip. Similar to Putin always launching a big attack on Ukraine while a NATO security conference is going on.
 
This happening hours after Netanyahu's presser almost feels like a middle finger to all the countries criticising him for the starvation in Gaza and for his plans to take control of the whole Gaza strip. Similar to Putin always launching a big attack on Ukraine while a NATO security conference is going on.

Not sure of the details of this, i dont know thos guy, and I dont know if he was leading a terrorist cell advancing airstrikes on Isreal, but what is clearly is a new strategy from Netinyahu.

Isreal has comprehensively lost the PR war, that area of skirmish is dead and buried, with the UN acknowledging Hamas words as fact, and most western countries reporting the 'facts' from the UN, Isreal have no chance in turning the tide...

How long Netinyahu can hold on to this new exclamation I dont know, but he has Iran in check, frozen and too scared to do anything overtly, thats cut off a lot from a Hamas perspective, he has Trump stood behind him, and a lot of knee shaking western leaders unsure about what to do or say (just look at Starmers bumbling words), so as long as outside pressure remains quelled I think he just needs to keep interior opposition and the IDF in enough alignment to see this through.

Im trying to consider positives from the full scale capture of Gaza city and beyond, well it does bring the war closer to an end, if the IDF continue with raids this could go on for another decade, and tensions reignite over the next 100 years regularly. Im not saying I agree, but that must be the goal no?

Hamas have 1 more card to play militarily, because their PR war is going great, its just not doing what they want it to, they hoped for an Islamic army to come wipe isreal off the map, instead they have a few thousand students and grannies around the west having Saturday afternoon walks up and down cities, the political pressure isnt going to come without the USA, especially with Trump involved. But essentially the card is simple, release the hostages, ask Isreal to leave and go home and get to building 100 new hospitals.

Netinyahu refusing to leave after getting the 1 thing he openly states he wants would be the straw I reckon, certainly from the IDF who dont have the will for this any further.

Interestingly, I think Starmers over reaction to Palestine action could potentially be a uniter the country needs, there was brutal civilian treatment after Southport, there has been an escalation on the war on freedom of expression, if the right had any sense they would now in their thousands stand in solidarity with the left over this issue, on September 13th they should all hold Palestine action placards and create a massive issue for Starmer.

It will NEVER happen, but thats the smart play from a population standpoint!
 
Not sure of the details of this, i dont know thos guy, and I dont know if he was leading a terrorist cell advancing airstrikes on Isreal, but what is clearly is a new strategy from Netinyahu.

Isreal has comprehensively lost the PR war, that area of skirmish is dead and buried, with the UN acknowledging Hamas words as fact, and most western countries reporting the 'facts' from the UN, Isreal have no chance in turning the tide...

How long Netinyahu can hold on to this new exclamation I dont know, but he has Iran in check, frozen and too scared to do anything overtly, thats cut off a lot from a Hamas perspective, he has Trump stood behind him, and a lot of knee shaking western leaders unsure about what to do or say (just look at Starmers bumbling words), so as long as outside pressure remains quelled I think he just needs to keep interior opposition and the IDF in enough alignment to see this through.

Im trying to consider positives from the full scale capture of Gaza city and beyond, well it does bring the war closer to an end, if the IDF continue with raids this could go on for another decade, and tensions reignite over the next 100 years regularly. Im not saying I agree, but that must be the goal no?

Hamas have 1 more card to play militarily, because their PR war is going great, its just not doing what they want it to, they hoped for an Islamic army to come wipe isreal off the map, instead they have a few thousand students and grannies around the west having Saturday afternoon walks up and down cities, the political pressure isnt going to come without the USA, especially with Trump involved. But essentially the card is simple, release the hostages, ask Isreal to leave and go home and get to building 100 new hospitals.

Netinyahu refusing to leave after getting the 1 thing he openly states he wants would be the straw I reckon, certainly from the IDF who dont have the will for this any further.

Interestingly, I think Starmers over reaction to Palestine action could potentially be a uniter the country needs, there was brutal civilian treatment after Southport, there has been an escalation on the war on freedom of expression, if the right had any sense they would now in their thousands stand in solidarity with the left over this issue, on September 13th they should all hold Palestine action placards and create a massive issue for Starmer.

It will NEVER happen, but thats the smart play from a population standpoint!
I don't think I'd want to show support for a group that attacked a police officer with a sledge hammer or caused millions of pounds worth of damage to military equipment.

 
I don't think I'd want to show support for a group that attacked a police officer with a sledge hammer or caused millions of pounds worth of damage to military equipment.

Also expressing support for another group after Southport after race rioting....
 
This happening hours after Netanyahu's presser almost feels like a middle finger to all the countries criticising him for the starvation in Gaza and for his plans to take control of the whole Gaza strip. Similar to Putin always launching a big attack on Ukraine while a NATO security conference is going on.
I see what you're saying but again I'd remind everyone that Israel is a democracy. This is not how democracies who have checks and balances, free press and invites criticism behaves. Do you think if Putin ruled over Israel in a dictatorship that this war would've panned out the same way? My guess would be you'd have 10 times the amount of deaths and the rest would've been cast out a long time ago.

The main, apt comparisons to Putin wouldn't be Israel and Netenyahu but it would be Hamas imo. Look how Russia since 2016 and it's propaganda machine has targeted western populations with propaganda campaigns and misinformation. But again, this is no surprise given the links between Russia and Iran and Iran and Hamas. Some Ukrainian intelligence guys have even gone as far as to say that Hamas have received direct training from Russia.

So of we're taking about a leader of a country being like, you know what I'm going to kill this journalist because I feel like it makes more sense to me when you're dealing with someone who has complete control over every single facet of that country. Netenyahu has to try and keep Smotrich and Ben Gvir in line let alone opposition leaders and the Israeli press.

The other thing I think people forget, and again this is another brilliant feature of democracy, is that pretty much all the bad things that Israel have done in the past (and a lot of stuff in the present) we only know about because of Israel. Whether it's through them making their historical archives accessible to historians or through institutions in Israel like Haaretz or B'Teselem etc. I'll tell you where you won't see that, any other country in the region or Russia.

And you know what, if it turns out Israel is conducting a genocide it will again largely be Israeli forces that will make people aware of that and bring an end to it (obviously my position is that is not the case)
 
I don't think I'd want to show support for a group that attacked a police officer with a sledge hammer or caused millions of pounds worth of damage to military equipment.


Where's the link to Palestine Action in this article?

Seems tedious, Palestine Action posted a video about breaking into a warehouse and painting things red, so they must be behind the hammer, whips and car ramming attack?

Seems a little outside of their scope and previous history no?

Im not pro Palestine Action, im anti government framing every Action they dont like as the worst hate crime ever caused and oppressing people.
Also expressing support for another group after Southport after race rioting....

Exibit A....

If the mobilised idiots on the right, could find ground with the mobilised left, we would have proper change, as it stands you lot swallow that every local protestor after local girls were murdered are race rioting Nazis, and every protestor causing disruption on the left are terror supporting mercenaries...

Convenient for those in power isnt it?

Just look at all the grannies arrested the other day, sat peacefully, with home made placards (home made being the keypart here) cant allow a genuine grass roots movement, ship them all off, but make sure you protect and promote the Stand up to racism bought and paid for idiots, they instigated the issues you need to justify the arrests.
 
Where's the link to Palestine Action in this article?

Seems tedious, Palestine Action posted a video about breaking into a warehouse and painting things red, so they must be behind the hammer, whips and car ramming attack?

Seems a little outside of their scope and previous history no?

Im not pro Palestine Action, im anti government framing every Action they dont like as the worst hate crime ever caused and oppressing people.


Exibit A....

If the mobilised idiots on the right, could find ground with the mobilised left, we would have proper change, as it stands you lot swallow that every local protestor after local girls were murdered are race rioting Nazis, and every protestor causing disruption on the left are terror supporting mercenaries...

Convenient for those in power isnt it?

Just look at all the grannies arrested the other day, sat peacefully, with home made placards (home made being the keypart here) cant allow a genuine grass roots movement, ship them all off, but make sure you protect and promote the Stand up to racism bought and paid for idiots, they instigated the issues you need to justify the arrests.
Definitely outside there scope and tenous really? They have a proven record of going after Elbit.

Members of the recently proscribed group Palestine Action are accused of breaking into the Elbit Systems UK site near Bristol on 6 August last year.
Counter Terrorism Policing South East (CTPSE) said they are accused of causing "extensive damage" to inventory and assaulting employees and two police officers.
Palestine Action allege Elbit Systems UK is involved in the manufacture and supply of weapons to the Israeli military - a claim the company strongly denies.
 
I don't think I'd want to show support for a group that attacked a police officer with a sledge hammer or caused millions of pounds worth of damage to military equipment.


Oh this happened last year not last week hahaha

Weird story, with 0 photography that I can find. Massive car ramming and assault in Bristol and not one journo went to cover it? Note one person whipped their phone out? Has anyone seen anything?

6 arrested last year, 10 more being sentenced:

Six people have been charged with aggravated burglary, criminal damage and violent disorder:

  • Sean Middlebrough, 32, of Woodlee Road, Liverpool
  • Aleksandra Herbich, 40, of Warfield Road, London
  • Huba Muraisi, 30, of Bedford Avenue, London
  • Qesser Zuhrah, 19, of Llandover Road, London
  • Zahra Farooque, 24, of Delorme Street, London
  • Kamran Ahmed, 27, of Langdon Crescent, London

Apparently no terror offences, but the suggestion of it since?

Seems suspicious to me, this is a major story id not heard of, and the allegations they were Palestine action wasnt enough to get the group Proscribed?

Need to do more digging
 
If the mobilised idiots on the right, could find ground with the mobilised left, we would have proper change, as it stands you lot swallow that every local protestor after local girls were murdered are race rioting Nazis, and every protestor causing disruption on the left are terror supporting mercenaries...
Sorry no I have zero cop with people who rioted over false information and went to attack people of other races and asylum seekers over it.

And neither should you and frankly its ******* deplorable you would suggest otherwise and you are pretty much scum of the Earth for suggesting it. I'd say a lot more about what I think to this kind of comment but apparently I'm not allowed to do personal attacks to a **** like you who should of been permabanned a long time ago.
 
Definitely outside there scope and tenous really? They have a proven record of going after Elbit.

Members of the recently proscribed group Palestine Action are accused of breaking into the Elbit Systems UK site near Bristol on 6 August last year.
Counter Terrorism Policing South East (CTPSE) said they are accused of causing "extensive damage" to inventory and assaulting employees and two police officers.
Palestine Action allege Elbit Systems UK is involved in the manufacture and supply of weapons to the Israeli military - a claim the company strongly denies.

Where is this quote from, I cant findnitnin the article?

I cant seem to find any Palestine Action acknowledgement, or any admition from the arrested of affiliation.
 
Sorry no I have zero cop with people who rioted over false information and went to attack people of other races and asylum seekers over it.

And neither should you and frankly its ******* deplorable you would suggest otherwise and you are pretty much scum of the Earth for suggesting it. I'd say a lot more about what I think to this kind of comment but apparently I'm not allowed to do personal attacks to a **** like you who should of been permabanned a long time ago.

Take a breath, and calm down dear.

You seem to fly into these rages every time there are comments that challenge your government approved narratives... stop and consider you are throwing insults to a stranger on the Internet in a rugby forum.

Noone stated the Southport riots were good or ethical, they were an overreaction to a heinous crime (im going to assume you believe it was a heinous crime), and the police and governments inaction in the response.

It doesnt help when people are whipped into a frenzy about immigration, absolutely wrongly in a lot of cases, and you can condemn the idiots storming the hotel, and trying to be violent without punishing the wider community who made mistakes. Posting stupid things on the Internet before calming down and deleting them, should not be punished the same as actual child rape. Protesters should not be instigated on purpose by police, and in every case regardless of whether they were left or right wing due process should be followed absolutely.

Im not defending the violent, im blaming the over reaction of the government as an absolute trend now of just that, over reacting and not helping
 
Where is this quote from, I cant findnitnin the article?

I cant seem to find any Palestine Action acknowledgement, or any admition from the arrested of affiliation.
But no definitely not Palestine Action.


 

Is that a different article? Did you bait and switch on me? Hahahaha

No seriously, ive read a few articles, it seems they may well have been members of Palestine Action, although the stories are sketchy in some cases.

My original comment was based from the original article only, I haven't heard the story in its wider context so I may well be wrong.
 
Is that a different article? Did you bait and switch on me? Hahahaha

No seriously, ive read a few articles, it seems they may well have been members of Palestine Action, although the stories are sketchy in some cases.

My original comment was based from the original article only, I haven't heard the story in its wider context so I may well be wrong.
No Harry you were arguing for the sake of it without knowing what you were talking about.

I've linked two sketchy articles with the quote.

So my original point stands I would not be showing support for Palestine Action because of there actions.
 
But no definitely not Palestine Action.


Let's say they were Palestine Action though, and this London group were acting on orders...

Does that justify blind wheelchair users being carried away to jail for holding a handmade sign...

Its strange, freedom of speech has been eroded so much people will dedend the UKs actions over criminalising every form of speech they can. We absolutely do not have freedom of speech in the UK, there are those who want to stop opinions whenever they come across ones they dont like, and the government and police action it.

Look at the officer apologising on video for checking in on an elderly guy who said he may go protest. Police have to start pushing back.
 

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