A Political Thread

[Ragey Erasmus]

Yet the Trump base will lap it up like all the other lies they are fed and will prance around acting like they are informed. I remember being told by a Trumper that central Birmingham was off limits completely to white people, whilst I was in central Birmingham and I'm white...

 

[DumbAmerican]

Nobody takes seriously the bottle blond bimbos Fox puts on as eye candy.

The Nordic countries are some of the most free market economies in the world. They just have high tax rates and generous welfare benefits, which works well in societies with few social divisions, widespread honesty, and a hardworking/productive population. Not much of their model can be applied to the rest of the world. Perhaps if the areas of America settled by Nordic people like Minnesota and northern Wisconsin formed their own country they could do it. Venezuela is a command and control economy, which doesn't work anywhere it's tried.

Economic freedom rankings:
Frasier Institute: UK - 8, Denmark - 12, USA - 18, Venezuela - 157
Heritage Foundation: Denmark - 9, USA - 10, UK - 14, Venezuela - 179

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Nobody takes seriously the bottle blond bimbos Fox puts on as eye candy.

Except all the dribbling Fox viewers who do absolutely no research and will lap up whatever is said there without question. As I said I had a Trumper trying to tell me no white people could go to certain parts of Birmingham whilst I, as a white person, was standing right in the part of Birmingham that was supposedly off limits along with a load of other white people, also known as Birmingham residents. He was literally trying to tell me I didn't know what I was talking about whilst I was standing right there. You think the average Fox viewer will actually check ANYTHING that blonde bimbo said or will they just convince themselves than Denmark is just another failed socialist state overrun by Muslims?

There is a major issue in America namely wilful ignorance both internally and abroad. It is sad how many Americans I've talked to who are just so ******* clueless it's a wonder they can function at all, that's including ones who actually thought they were making an effort to be informed.

 

[DumbAmerican]

A. I'm fairly sure that the British are stereotyped by other Europeans as being ignorant about other cultures. In fact, I think you guys get tabbed with a lot of the same negative stereotypes that you try and hand out to the Yanks. Yes, Americans are a bit ignorant of other cultures. I would have to get in my car and drive for hours and hours to get to a different culture (French Canada). That's the case for most Americans. Our culture is also the dominant world popular culture, with a bit of help from you guys. We aren't watching French and Chinese movies. Everyone is watching ours.

B. It's very British to over obsess about the influence that certain boogiemen have on American culture. I'm not sure why you guys pick these certain boogiemen to fixate on, but perhaps it's those middle America porn shows that seem to be produced for British consumption. Perhaps it's that you're consuming US based news produced in liberal bubbles. Our coastal liberals often have very poor perception of what's driving issues in Kansas or Arkansas. Fox News has around a million viewers per day. The average age of their viewership is around 70 years old.

C. Ignorant conservative whites might think the UK is on the verge of a race war, but liberal whites who watch MSNBC aren't any better informed. They often think your island is filled with classy, intelligent, and peaceful people of all races living in perfect harmony, and the only thing stopping that dreamworld here in the US are the existence of bitter, conservative, and uneducated whites. The reality is that white flight has struck large parts of England, destroying generations of social bonds in a short period of time. The reality is that there are large portions of the immigrant communities from the past few decades who live segregated lives incompatible with Western culture and are a net economic drain on the country. Tell this to your average white liberal and they think you're lying.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

A. I'm fairly sure that the British are stereotyped by other Europeans as being ignorant about other cultures. In fact, I think you guys get tabbed with a lot of the same negative stereotypes that you try and hand out to the Yanks. Yes, Americans are a bit ignorant of other cultures. I would have to get in my car and drive for hours and hours to get to a different culture (French Canada). That's the case for most Americans. Our culture is also the dominant world popular culture, with a bit of help from you guys. We aren't watching French and Chinese movies. Everyone is watching ours.

B. It's very British to over obsess about the influence that certain boogiemen have on American culture. I'm not sure why you guys pick these certain boogiemen to fixate on, but perhaps it's those middle America porn shows that seem to be produced for British consumption. Perhaps it's that you're consuming US based news produced in liberal bubbles. Our coastal liberals often have very poor perception of what's driving issues in Kansas or Arkansas. Fox News has around a million viewers per day. The average age of their viewership is around 70 years old.

C. Ignorant conservative whites might think the UK is on the verge of a race war, but liberal whites who watch MSNBC aren't any better informed. They often think your island is filled with classy, intelligent, and peaceful people of all races living in perfect harmony, and the only thing stopping that dreamworld here in the US are the existence of bitter, conservative, and uneducated whites. The reality is that white flight has struck large parts of England, destroying generations of social bonds in a short period of time. The reality is that there are large portions of the immigrant communities from the past few decades who live segregated lives incompatible with Western culture and are a net economic drain on the country. Tell this to your average white liberal and they think you're lying.

A) As someone who has spoken to many Europeans, yes we do get that label but ask a European if they thought a Brit or Yank was more ignorant and the vast majority would say yank.

B) This is not a case of "obsessing over certain boogiemen", this is about pointing out the biggest trainwreck of a president the USA has had in decades and not trying to gloss over what a disaster the Trump administration has been so far as you are. Also trying to pretend it's just a British thing takes me back to my point about Americans being ignorant, you clearly have no idea what people all round the world are saying about America and Trump. You are currently viewed as a laughing stock, a nation of idiots that voted in someone that everyone could see would be a disaster well before time, yet you lot took a shotgun and completely blasted yourself in the foot whilst screeching "USA USA! Murica **** yeah!" and somehow think that such an action makes the world look at you as tough guys rather than idiots.

C) It's funny how you bring that up as if it's some sort of good argument. So right wing Americans live in perpetual fear and hatred brought about by their ignorance and a misplaced sense of arrogance as a result. This then results in the belief that they have nothing to learn from anyone else because they are vastly superior. Left wing Americans live in the belief that other places have things better and so are interested in learning about them in the hopes of improving their own society and of interacting with these other people. Way to shoot yourself in the foot once again. Tell your average white conservative that white conservatives aren't the only productive members of a society and they think you're lying. Have a guess at which attitude is fundamentally more damaging...

 

[die_mole]

I just got back from living in South Africa for two months.

Trump made them feel good about their political situation. It's not just a British thing.

 

[DumbAmerican]

A) As someone who has spoken to many Europeans, yes we do get that label but ask a European if they thought a Brit or Yank was more ignorant and the vast majority would say yank.

One of the strange things I experienced as I gained more first hand knowledge of the world was learning how unpopular British people are with Euros. I think most Americans grow up with a generally positive view of the British, though we know we aren't always as popular with them. It's jarring to constantly hear Euros go on about how much they dislike you. The general consensus seems to be that the Brits have all the negative Yank traits without any of the positive. The Canadians have all the positive Yank traits without the negative. Of course people are going to be comfortable bashing the Brits to me and the Yanks to you, so there's that factor.

C) It's funny how you bring that up as if it's some sort of good argument. So right wing Americans live in perpetual fear and hatred brought about by their ignorance and a misplaced sense of arrogance as a result. This then results in the belief that they have nothing to learn from anyone else because they are vastly superior. Left wing Americans live in the belief that other places have things better and so are interested in learning about them in the hopes of improving their own society and of interacting with these other people. Way to shoot yourself in the foot once again. Tell your average white conservative that white conservatives aren't the only productive members of a society and they think you're lying. Have a guess at which attitude is fundamentally more damaging...

But my point is that multiculturalism brought on by mass immigration is probably working worse in Europe and Britain than the US, despite what lots of white US liberals think. They are just as misinformed. It's not Fox News, it's the US media in general that isn't informing people.

I just got back from living in South Africa for two months.

Trump made them feel good about their political situation. It's not just a British thing.

If a citizenship swap was opened up between the USA and South Africa, it would go 99.9% towards the USA. If you paid Americans $100,000k to take SA citizenship and told South Africans they would have to pay double taxes for 5 years for USA citizenship, it would go 90% towards the USA. I don't know a ton about South African politics, but I read their current President has hundreds of millions of dollars based off a career as a union leader. Their last President thought he could wash AIDS off his dick with soap. That's ****** embarrassing.

 

[die_mole]

Woah... things are better here than they are in a third world country. Guess we don't need to stop improving.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Is what Giuliani for real?

 

[DumbAmerican]

Woah... things are better here than they are in a third world country. Guess we don't need to stop improving.

The reason we have Trump is because our society has been devolving in the post-Cold War world, especially accelerated in the Obama years. The decline in white life expectancy driven by the drug overdoes of forgotten people. The late Obama era spike in violent black deaths after his embrace of Black Lives Matter radicals. The growing hatred across ideological lines. The decline in race relations. Mass increase in inequality. People could see the future end of the American Dream for average people in the current state of California. The country is coming apart at the seams. Trump was the only candidate who spoke about the root causes of these issues in a way that made sense.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

******* delusional... It was the white right in America driving the divides, the white right who turned ideological split into an ideological rift, white right who peddled hatred and mis-information and now the white right who have put a guy who is just accelerating their already hateful policies.

 

[Which Tyler]

******* delusional... It was the white right in America driving the divides, the white right who turned ideological split into an ideological rift, white right who peddled hatred and mis-information and now the white right who have put a guy who is just accelerating their already hateful policies.

Yeahh, none of this would ever have happened is the blacks had simply accepted their status as "less than human" and women hadn't gone around demanding to be allowed to vote, or not be assaulted all the time.
If they'd just learned to stay in their place then white manhood would never have felt that their ivory towers were under threat and had to lash out against them!

 

[McTallshort]

One of the strange things I experienced as I gained more first hand knowledge of the world was learning how unpopular British people are with Euros. I think most Americans grow up with a generally positive view of the British, though we know we aren't always as popular with them. It's jarring to constantly hear Euros go on about how much they dislike you. The general consensus seems to be that the Brits have all the negative Yank traits without any of the positive. The Canadians have all the positive Yank traits without the negative. Of course people are going to be comfortable bashing the Brits to me and the Yanks to you, so there's that factor.


But my point is that multiculturalism brought on by mass immigration is probably working worse in Europe and Britain than the US, despite what lots of white US liberals think. They are just as misinformed. It's not Fox News, it's the US media in general that isn't informing people.


If a citizenship swap was opened up between the USA and South Africa, it would go 99.9% towards the USA. If you paid Americans $100,000k to take SA citizenship and told South Africans they would have to pay double taxes for 5 years for USA citizenship, it would go 90% towards the USA. I don't know a ton about South African politics, but I read their current President has hundreds of millions of dollars based off a career as a union leader. Their last President thought he could wash AIDS off his dick with soap. That's ****** embarrassing.

have you ever been to Europe? genuine question

 

[DumbAmerican]

******* delusional... It was the white right in America driving the divides, the white right who turned ideological split into an ideological rift, white right who peddled hatred and mis-information and now the white right who have put a guy who is just accelerating their already hateful policies.

Sorry. Mass immigration is a policy that is guaranteed to create mass division in a society. That's the lefts fault. The left spreads mis-information about the effects of mass immigration, and then people notice that the facts in their life don't match the story they were sold. Then when they ask to stop or change the policy that created the division in the first place, they are called divisive.

Yeahh, none of this would ever have happened is the blacks had simply accepted their status as "less than human" and women hadn't gone around demanding to be allowed to vote, or not be assaulted all the time.
If they'd just learned to stay in their place then white manhood would never have felt that their ivory towers were under threat and had to lash out against them!

Setting up strawmen.

have you ever been to Europe? genuine question

Twice. Two weeks in France in my early 20s. A couple days each in Munich and London in my late 20s. Everyone I encountered in London was beyond nice.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Sorry. Mass immigration is a policy that is guaranteed to create mass division in a society. That's the lefts fault. The left spreads mis-information about the effects of mass immigration, and then people notice that the facts in their life don't match the story they were sold. Then when they ask to stop or change the policy that created the division in the first place, they are called divisive.

Yeah bringing over all those slaves was terrible wasn't it? The racial divisions in society have been there right since the founding of the USA ffs and in nearly every case it's been white people fueling the problems and then screeching victim hood when the injustice is pointed out so stop trying to pretend this is anything more than a bunch of white racists once again becoming emboldened because there is some fuckwit in the white house. The right spreads mis-information about everything. Fact checking sites consistently shows right wing sites and sources telling lies far FAR more than left wing. How do the right respond? Well obviously fact checkers are biased too. It never occurs to you that you lot just lie and ignore facts far more than the left. Also which side has carried out more gerrymandering? The right. Which side repeatedly introduces legislation allowing for more persecution? The right. Jim Crow laws? The right. How about the mass hysteria and limiting of rights post war with McCarthyism? The right. The Civil war? The right. You have proven how delusional you are and it's why the right are so dangerous, you embody the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I mean the fact your seriously believe Europeans hold Brits in lower regard than Americans is laughable. Brits are held at an all time low in Europe right now thanks to the Brexit fiasco but the USA with Trump still ranks WAY below that.

 

[DumbAmerican]

Yeah bringing over all those slaves was terrible wasn't it? The racial divisions in society have been there right since the founding of the USA ffs and in nearly every case it's been white people fueling the problems and then screeching victim hood when the injustice is pointed out so stop trying to pretend this is anything more than a bunch of white racists once again becoming emboldened because there is some fuckwit in the white house.

Right, just like every single society in history the USA has had problems with different ethnic groups disliking each other. So the solution to make this better is to open the doors to tens of millions (hundreds of millions eventually if the left gets their way) of all different types of people? That's an incredibly divisive policy. All good public policy has to deal with the reality of human nature, not the fantasies of left wingers.

I mean the fact your seriously believe Europeans hold Brits in lower regard than Americans is laughable. Brits are held at an all time low in Europe right now thanks to the Brexit fiasco but the USA with Trump still ranks WAY below that.

I said to be careful about your bigotry towards Americans because it seems to me that you guys get tagged with the exact same stereotypes from others. The speck in the eye of your brother . . . I did not make a claim on who is more unpopular. I do not know that.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Right, just like every single society in history the USA has had problems with different ethnic groups disliking each other. So the solution to make this better is to open the doors to tens of millions (hundreds of millions eventually if the left gets their way) of all different types of people? That's an incredibly divisive policy. All good public policy has to deal with the reality of human nature, not the fantasies of left wingers.

And yet here you are spouting as if the current racial tensions are the fault of anyone but white Americans. Do PLEASE tell me how Trump is doing anything to help the situation? I mean seriously do you know who Trump is? That Orange panda with serious man baby issues? The one that has been stoking hatred based on every divide he can think of? Race, wealth, political leaning, religion. What you right wingers don't understand is that your inability to feel empathy and your fear and hate driven attitudes are not "the reality of human nature" they are the reality of YOUR nature, a nature widely regarded in most societies as destructive, backwards and counter to progress.

I said to be careful about your bigotry towards Americans because it seems to me that you guys get tagged with the exact same stereotypes from others. The speck in the eye of your brother . . . I did not make a claim on who is more unpopular. I do not know that.

Yes we do get tagged with the same stereotypes and you know what? I'm ashamed of the Brits who got us such tags. You on the other hand actively revel in what got you your reputation.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

So trump has said he thinks statements he would give Mueller could be used to bring perjury charges against him.
Isn't that literally admitting that he's going to lie, under oath?

 

[Bada-Bing!]

So trump has said he thinks statements he would give Mueller could be used to bring perjury charges against him.
Isn't that literally admitting that he's going to lie, under oath?

Pretty much. As his own lawyer Giuliano said truth isn't truth (WTF?). I don't think his own lawyers trust what Trump would say if questioned under oath by Mueller. So their tactic is to keep him as far away from being being questioned as possible.

 

[DumbAmerican]

Do PLEASE tell me how Trump is doing anything to help the situation?

Uh, he's trying to cut down on immigration. If we had never changed our immigration law in the 1960s much of this division would not exist. He's especially trying to stop the uncontrolled illegal immigration that lets in criminals and people working for slave wages, which creates much of the hostility. He's trying to reorder the economy away from favoring paper assets and the rich to favoring good working class jobs. If people are working and earning a good wage they won't be sitting around stewing about the "other."

And yet here you are spouting as if the current racial tensions are the fault of anyone but white Americans.

Newer groups to America have contributed greatly to ethnic tension, as was always bound to happen.
You have massive stuff like 9/11 and Islamic terrorism. No Muslim immigration to the US and we have two less wars. Hundreds of thousands of people don't die.
You have violent ethnic cleansing by Hispanic gangs on black neighborhoods in certain parts of the country. One of the victims Trump highlighted was Jamiel Shaw. His son was shot by an illegal immigrant criminal who had just been let out of jail. The local Democratic government ignored his immigration detainer and released him under sanctuary city laws. His gang ordered him to kill a black person as part of their turf dispute to prove he hadn't been compromised in jail.

You have medium level stuff like people waving Mexican flags and wearing Make America Mexico Again shirts violently attacking conservative political gatherings across California.
You have minor stuff like the NY Times just hiring a Korean born writer to their editorial board with a long, long history of tweets hoping for the extinction of white people in America.
The conflict and tension will get worse and worse if Trump is not successful in getting immigration under control.