A Political Thread

[Which Tyler]

I've come down in favour of another vote - just not a GE - I'm not really sure what a GE is going to do to bring the country back together again.

It would have been nice to have had a competent government 12 months ago; who started off by trying to reach a cross-party agreement on what we were wanting from any negotiation, with bipartisan representation in the negotiating team. Then we could have triggered Article 50 with an actual agenda; and tried to find a deal that could command a majority of support in parliament.
But it's too late for that. Another GE to decide which of 2 incompetent and divided parties we want to be the incompetent and divided party-in-chief, just isn't going to solve anything at all.

 

[ncurd]

So a bad deal is better than a no deal it appears.

 

[Reiser99]

The joke continues...honestly Trump isn't looking so bad at the moment, at least he knows what he wants even if he doesn't know how to get it. We don't know what we want or how to get it and the longer this goes on the more embarrassing it becomes. Anyone looking to sign a trade deal will just dictate terms to us and that's if they trust us to honour any deal we actually make.

 

[truthteller]

disgraceful. these rats have alllowed the EU to use the northern ireland peace process to destroy brexit....corbyn is a traitor and his attempt to get a GE is an oportunist disgrace. he and the rest are bullying may, 1 lone person against 500 million, spineless cowards. they should have sent in a world class negotiation team at the start and throughout....and in the past year parliament should have united and turned their fury on the EU who are an absolute disgrace. Instead traitors like corbyn and most other mp's have instead fought amongst themselves and made the EU's job easy. now corbyn will take away no deal so in effect tying mays hands even more and making Eu's job even easier. Traitors.

 

[Which Tyler]

Personally, I'd reserve terms like "traitor" for those specifically looking to harm the country - by taking us out of the EU

 

[truthteller]

its called democracy we voted to leave....corbyn and co have let the EU off the hook and chosen to bully one person instead, traitors

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

disgraceful. these rats have alllowed the EU to use the northern ireland peace process to destroy brexit....corbyn is a traitor and his attempt to get a GE is an oportunist disgrace. he and the rest are bullying may, 1 lone person against 500 million, spineless cowards. they should have sent in a world class negotiation team at the start and throughout....and in the past year parliament should have united and turned their fury on the EU who are an absolute disgrace. Instead traitors like corbyn and most other mp's have instead fought amongst themselves and made the EU's job easy. now corbyn will take away no deal so in effect tying mays hands even more and making Eu's job even easier. Traitors.

No, it's very much that Brexit is destroying the Peace Process. It also wouldn't matter a shite if the UK weren't at loggerheads, they have no leverage over the EU who are doing exactly as they should.

 

[truthteller]

that is totally wrong. brexit was totally legitimate. we voted to leave the EU. They have disgracefully threatened the peace process. the fact they used that to destroy brexit just underlines what a dreadfully corrupt organization the EU is

 

[Reiser99]

that is totally wrong. brexit was totally legitimate. we voted to leave the EU. They have disgracefully threatened the peace process. the fact they used that to destroy brexit just underlines what a dreadfully corrupt organization the EU is

Yay, another person who feels a vote based on limited information (that was clearly a mixture of lies and lack of facts) with a narrow majority (that would not be enough to legally change a golf club constitution) and electoral fraud should be upheld.

Fair enough, you want your Brexit and you couldn't give a fig about those reasons. However, how can anyone say this is the EU's fault? They have been consistent, clear and united from the start, where as our parliament has been a complete mess with politicians in charge not knowing what they were doing and almost everyone playing party politics to the end. Yes the EU have played hard ball, but when we voted to leave our interests ceased to be their interests. If the shoe was on the other foot and our politicians were giving them a hard time and they were asking for a fair deal, we would be laughing at them and praising our own politicians to high heavens. It's hypocritical and the sign of pathetic losers who didn't get their way to lay the blame at anyone else's feet other than people who voted to leave and the incompetent MP's who haven't got a clue. Brexiteers have blamed everyone possible other than themselves and I reckon most will go to their grave saying we were cheated and robbed rather than admit their own stupidity.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

that is totally wrong. brexit was totally legitimate. we voted to leave the EU. They have disgracefully threatened the peace process. the fact they used that to destroy brexit just underlines what a dreadfully corrupt organization the EU is

You're wrong. The backstop is how the EU and Ireland are protecting the North, an area which voted overwhelmingly in favour of remain and is the most susceptible to the most devastating dangers of brexit, particularly any variation without a backstop. (great bit of democracy there...) Anyway, I'd advise you to stop bringing the North into your rants as it appears thattyou haven't the foggiest regarding the "Irish question"...

The EU is also not "destroying" brexit, they're just not aiding it. They're doing what's best for them and they happen to be in monumentally more powerful negotiating position than a standalone Uk. The various and wide array of advantages of being an EU nation are reserved for Member States remaining in the union, seems fair to me.

 

[truthteller]

the stupidity is on the side of these mps and those traitors who decided to deny democracy...to support the eu against your own country is being a traitor to your own country....our useless mps have let the eu off the hook totally and chosen to bully 1 person instead of holding the monstrous eu and its 28 nations to account

 

[Reiser99]

Yep, that's clearly a wonderful, rational, fact based argument. Sorry everyone else, he's convinced me to become a Brexiteer.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I don't want to know how orange Welsh Trump is...

 

[truthteller]

Yep, that's clearly a wonderful, rational, fact based argument. Sorry everyone else, he's convinced me to become a Brexiteer.

far more rational than giving up control over your own country and your own sovereignty to the EU and its anti democratic commission....how you can support the EU using the peace process as a weapon to destroy brexit defies belief

 

[Reiser99]

far more rational than giving up control over your own country and your own sovereignty to the EU and its anti democratic commission....how you can support the EU using the peace process as a weapon to destroy brexit defies belief

Just to be clear, you know the back stop issue was the British Government's proposal, because they didn't want to agree to the EU's proposal and now we are the ones asking to change what we originally proposed because we don't like it anymore? You do realise that right?

 

[truthteller]

the eu want to leave it open ended with is in effect remaining under their control indefinitely without and end in sight and without a say at the top table...you do understand that right? We only wanted to protect the good friday agreement, the eu couldnt give a damn about it, you do understand that dont you surely?

 

[die_mole]

As soon as I saw the name truth teller I knew what had happened here

 

[General Melchett]

Can we do a quick recap of all his aliases?

- Valley Commando
- The truth hurts
- truthteller

It seems that he, along with many others, were duped into believing the fantasy Brexit that was promoted in 2016 and is now struggling to come to terms with the fact that it was pure fantasy, never actually deliverable and that the whole referendum process was flawed from start to finish. I've seen general elections in Africa and South America conducted with more integrity. Brexit was never properly defined and even now MPs sill can't agree what it looks like. He has obviously been sucked into the 'those nasty unelected EU bureaucrats' argument constantly promoted by the likes of Farage. The EU never asked for Brexit and are rightly doing what they have to do to protect the union and the interests of the other 27 member states.

 

[Thingimubob]

far more rational than giving up control over your own country and your own sovereignty to the EU and its anti democratic commission....how you can support the EU using the peace process as a weapon to destroy brexit defies belief

The only ones trying to use the peace process as a weapon are the DUP (no surprises there)...

Also I still laugh how after all this time, Brexiteers continue to spout claims that the EU Commission isn't democratic it's not like the UK has as much representation on the commission as every other member state, chosen directly by our government that we vote for...

But hey, can't let facts get in the way of your burning hatred of Johnny foreigner eh?

 

[Which Tyler]

The only ones trying to use the peace process as a weapon are the DUP (no surprises there)...

Also I still laugh how after all this time, Brexiteers continue to spout claims that the EU Commission isn't democratic it's not like the UK has as much representation on the commission as every other member state, chosen directly by our government that we vote for...

But hey, can't let facts get in the way of your burning hatred of Johnny foreigner eh?

The EU is SOooo undemocratic, I mean they're holding elections in a couple of months! Don't they know you only need 1 vote, and then it's decided, that's how real democracy works.
They also use unelected experts to guide and advice them, and all Brexiteers know that we can't trust unelected experts, after all, they're mere experts in the field. You'd never catch Brexiteers latching onto the advice of an unelected expert like Geoffrey Cox and giving it any credence in their decision making!