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  1. Amiga500

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    I think I probably speak for most here when I say; "**** up and go educate yourself."
     
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    It's just a think tank, so it will likely have it's own bias, but it is of interest if initial indications are that Ireland are claiming a fair proportion of any parts of the UK finance sector that migrates.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47522347

    I'd anticipated some massive pain for Ireland due to geography and for most of the financial sector to relocate to the continent. A nice wee irony that the early adoption of English by the Irish might help mitigate any economic fallout from the UK's adventures.

    Hopefully someone has a whisper into the ear of whatever eedjits were sending packages to various parts of the UK last week. If you want to stick it to the evil empire there is no need for semtex. Just stay in school, do your homework and ace English and Economics. Freedom fighting 21st century style. :p
     
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    Genuinely surprised that the "No no deal - ever" amendment actually passed

    Great news
     
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    While personally as someone who wants to remain I do like that it has passed. However this situation is getting more and more ridiculous. How can anyone not put the blame completely at the feet of Britain and it's parliament.

    Apparently the Government is suggesting some indicative votes to see what Parliament would be willing to vote for...you know the thing they should have done at the start before triggering Article 50 so that there was a clear negotiating position from the start.
     
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    Malthouse amendment rejected massively (210). So whatever happens, it has 16 days to do so (or a couple of years, if I'm reading it right).

    Surprisingly, JRM didn't say "I lost, I'll deal with it"
     
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    My concern with those indicative votes is that our democracy works on a majority. What happens if no plan or way forward gets a majority so that Parliament is so divided there is no unified view? Surely then it is either no deal or remain...
     
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    Oh FFS, aparently May has now applied the whip to make Tories vote against the motion itself, as a result of the amendments
     
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    Motion passes, complete with amendment A.

    May starts her response with "as I've said before" so she's going for 3rd time lucky
     
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    For all those Brexiteers who are fed up with the E.U, how can they claim our country will be fine when it's led by such an incompetent Parliament and Government.
     
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    Corbyn proposes cross-party talks, 3 years too late, but still before it occurred to the PM
     
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    I don't think he's ever been interested in working with May. He will stall until he gets the only thing he wants, another GE.
     
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    Several ministerial abstentions, despite a 3-line whip.
    1 resignation already
     
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    Of course not, but he's happy to go behind her back if necessary. Much like May in the opposite direction.
     
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    It's crazy when you think about it
    In 2015 ukip got 4m votes, one MP
    Cameron formed a government with 13m votes

    UKIP are far more reasonably represented in the EU than in the British parliament.
    If they actually cared about democracy they'd be fighting the UK voting systems
     
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    Hmm actually maybe there is a faint hope to completely reform British politics as probably both Leavers and Remainers will be united in the fact that our political process is completely broken.
     
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    It suits Labour and the Tories down to a tee though,
    Far too many safe seats for them in the country to want a mix up
     
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    Also on top of this, apparently the government allowed ministers to abstain without losing their job, therefore defying May, but keep their job. She can't fire them as her grip on power is tenuous at best. It's certainly why Chris Grayling is still a minister.
     
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    True, but it is a faint hope, maybe not soon but within the next decade.
     
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    Also:
    I did enjoy how May tried to threaten the house by saying that it may result in Brexit being cancelled, but that idea got cheered
     
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    Here's a delightful scenario...
    Suppose Farage heads off to Italy and "convinces" them to veto any extension of Art 50.
    This would also be even more last-minute, by definition; leaving us not enough time for a people's vote, or a GE.
    That'd force us into a choice of May's deal or revoke Art 50. And I can see enough anger at Farage's duplicitousness in that situation that Farage would become known as the man who singlehandedly kept Britain in the EU
     
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