He has already said he doesn't intend to be Prime Minister at the next general election which probably gives him 2-3 years.
If he loses this he will just resign a lot earlier than originally intended.
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If he loses this he will just resign a lot earlier than originally intended.
BS, the remain campaign has used fear throughout the whole process even wheeled out that jelly fish Obama to tell us not to be naughty children. saying the leave campaign has been much worse just shows how one eyed you are.
No disputing that both parties have used fear tactics. I did say as much in my post. And there's nothing wrong with fear tactics if they are backed up by evidence, data etc. If there is legitimate reason to fear one option or the other, it needs to be conveyed now. I think it's silly that people are complaining about the projection of fear onto the electorate. It's perfectly healthy and normal for there to be a bit of fear and uncertainty over this referendum, and it would be more concerning if people were utterly apathetic and had not a care in the world for the outcome. I haven't paid much heed to either side, and I legitimately fear leaving the EU, because I think it will absolutely suck for my generation. (The young take the brunt of austerity, and austerity will surely come if we leave.)
What I'm talking about is the misuse of statistics and the misleading of the electorate, which is nearly wholly done by Leave. The cost of EU membership, the membership of Turkey, the immigration figures, VAT hypotheticals... it is atrocious what Leave have been doing.
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But saying we will be over 4 grand worse off per household...possibly in 15 years is perfectly acceptable
That was a deliberate misuse, they said we would be 4k worse off if we left the federal Germany republic...they casually forgot to mention that it was based on some pretty exaggerated assumptions and wouldn't actually be relevant for another 15 years.
My point is that even if he wins, he will resign having lost all credibility with the nonsense he has been spouting!
The man's made of lego and groomed with ejaculate.
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Again, as j'nuh has said, no-one is saying that In haven't overstated things, we all know Cameron and Osborne love a good "Project Fear" campaign strategy.e However, they have gone through the proper channels, and forecasted figures such as this rather than blindly chucked out any old figure, like the Leave campaign have been doing. We've even seen Boris and Gove in "Vote Leave" saying different figures to Farage in "Grassroots Out"...
And anyway, even if it is as you say, and these types of figures won't be truly shown until a number of years after a potential Brexit, why does that make them not relevant? I'm gonna hope that myself and many others will still be knocking about in 15 years to feel the full effects of the referendum, no matter the results!
Either way, it's fairly clear that the Out camp has being doing the bigger share of bullsh*tting as they simply do not have as many straight facts to fall back on! I mean jesus, the £350million per week figure emblazoned on the side of their "Battlebus" has already been proven to be rubbish, and I swear independent bodies have requested that they stop using it! The sheer amount of mis-information circling is crazy.
To re-iterate, the In campaign are guilty of this as well, but at least they're able to show their reasoning behind the facts and figures they're bringing up.
Also, definitely getting frustrating to see people constantly bringing in Germany into it like they're the overlords of the EU. They might be the biggest EU country, biggest contributors and all that, but they do not rule the EU, nor are they trying to? Some of the comments I've seen on Facebook about the Germans have been straight up xenophobic, which is just disheartening to see.
Yep. By none other than the official statistical watchdog, the UK Statistics Authority:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...mpaign-over-350m-a-week-eu-cost-a7051756.html
Agreed. They justifiably have the biggest presence in European Parliament because of their population size. But it's proportional, there's no way Germany could bully legislation through the EU without support from other countries.
And if we elected MEPs who actually attended and voted in Europe, perhaps we'd have more of a say too...
Here's hoping this referendum will end UKIP.
German police today arrested four men that seem to have planned an ISIS suicide bombing in the town where I live.
Similar to Paris, they wanted to set off two bombs and shoot people. They planned to to do it in the famous "Altstadt" where streets are crammed with people at weekends.
Similar to Paris, they wanted to set off two bombs and shoot people. They planned to to do it in the famous "Altstadt" where streets are crammed with people at weekends.
Well of course it depends who has financed the bodies that have issued the forecasts and believe you will find that many have funds directly from the British Government or the EU.
Over the top statements like the EU has prevented war and leaving will bring it nearer are not based on forecasts but stupidity from Cameron and his team!
The Germans are the major manufacturing, financial and political force within the EU and they can "blackmail" all the support they need from the smaller nations to boss the direction of the EU....look at the Greece debacle! 28 Commissioners being one from each member country not based on size, population, financial strength or any other meaningful criteria.....
Germany are the overlords of the EU it's their finance that's bankrolled the whole thing and the Euro was simply a way of making their exports cheaper because the Marc was too strong.
And bull****ting? How about the remain campaign taking credit for all the work NATO has done, being told if we left it would increase the chance of war and terrorism when it was stupid EU policy that provoked Putin and Merkals policy of allowing thousands of unvetted refugees in from Syria has increased the threat of terrorism far more than us leaving the EU.
ffs, tarring and penalising all refugees with the terrorist brush is exactly why Brexiters are (justifiably) accused of racism.
If Britain turns into a war zone and you feared for your family's life, and a chance opened for you to move to America, don't tell me you wouldn't take it. Anyone would do what is best for their family. And denying the safety of thousands of families because maybe 0.01% of them are terrorists is racist bullcrap, and I wish Remain had the balls to point it out for what it was, rather than this weak-ass "legitimate concerns" crap.
And given we sell billions of pounds worth of arms to the countries that bankroll and arm these terrorist groups, perhaps we ought to take some responsibility for the mess it has created.
I didn't the them all with the same brush, I said it increases the threat of terrorism which it has.
Screaming racist at people for questioning an open door immigration policy and having concerns about the mass movement of refugees some of which have no love for our way of life is at best naive and at worst stupidly irresponsible and a big reason why parties such as UKIP gain such support.
Playing the race card will not win this for the remain campaign it will probably do them more damage because people are sick of having there concerns brushed aside as xenophobic and bigoted by naive fools who have little understanding of the lives they lead.
So play away and I will see you after you lose the referendum
Screaming racist at people for questioning an open door immigration policy and having concerns about the mass movement of refugees some of which have no love for our way of life is at best naive and at worst stupidly irresponsible and a big reason why parties such as UKIP gain such support.
Playing the race card will not win this for the remain campaign it will probably do them more damage because people are sick of having there concerns brushed aside as xenophobic and bigoted by naive fools who have little understanding of the lives they lead.
So play away and I will see you after you lose the referendum
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The problem is the vast majority are but yes there are some out there with some reasonable level of concern.
As for increased threat it's only by a small amount and is pretty negligible the major threats still come home grown radicals rather than people from outside. Focusing on immigrants both from within and outside of Europe is wrong answer to the problem. A terrorist attack is by far more likely to be conducted by someone born here which quite a sad state of affairs.
Only a few weeks I know some people I know we're blaming Brussels attacks on refugees/immigrants, when I pointed this was untrue they said oh they meant France I lost the will to argue anymore as it was also untrue. (I didn't want to start a full blown argument saying what I was thinking).
Like I say some have a reasonable argument but most just want to carry on with their false beliefs and they deep rooted is racism and bigotry as they don't believe the truth when told. Sadly like you say pointing that out doesn't win the argument at all and is a waste of time. You only have to look at the Gordon Brown gaff of being caught saying it years ago to see what actually happens if you do.
Problem is, that nobody cares about the wellbeing of the people in such countries.
If we would focus more on people not getting bombed, killed, imprisoned or persecuted in their countries and having stable governments, people would not have a reason to flee or turn towards ISIS and Al Quaida.
If we would focus more on people not getting bombed, killed, imprisoned or persecuted in their countries and having stable governments, people would not have a reason to flee or turn towards ISIS and Al Quaida.
So we are all a bunch of nasty racists? Yeah will have to tell my polish wife that.
Yeah I still don't get your directly and massively benefited from the EU but wants to pull out stance.
You can still be racist to one group of peoples but not another that's just well definition of racism. Just because you like the Polish doesn't meant you can't be racist towards Arabs.
And nothing that you really say doesn't really make me think you aren't close minded individual it would be leap to call you a racist. But you don't seam to get that migration doesn't really increase the threat level of terroism attack by any significant margin.
Just because I have a polish wife doesn't mean I find the EU any more democratic which is my main reason for voting to leave. Also it's because I frequently travel to Poland I also understand how an open door policy is effecting their economy: imagine a very large number of your best and brightest upping sticks and moving to a richer country.
I also get frustrated with how people quote workers rights have been improved under the EU when it's the EU policy of open door immigration that has allowed big companies to exploit zero hours agency contracts to work some very Victorian work practices which I have seen first hand and found very distasteful.
To say I am close minded because I have come to the conclusions I have due to experiences working with a largely immigrant workforce is very ignorant. To say most people who have concerns about immigration are really bigots is also very ignorant and very self righteous.
I also don't think you fully understand the security risks of having a large displaced population moving into the European main land without any security vetting.
I think you are narrow minded, you have an opinion and anyone who disagrees with it you try and pigeon hole into a negative stereotype which switches you off from many new ideas.
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