I would reply more - but for all your huffing and puffing yoe and degrading all responses that don't fit with your own, there wouldn't seem much point. I will say you lack any knowledge of what the haka means and instead look at it through a primitivist scope more reminiscent to the colonial era. If teams didn't want to face the haka then they would not have to - it is an invitational practice.
Personally I could happily live with the All Blacks saving any and all haka's for special occasions as it has become a bit too routine for me, but I guess it would be an insult to say any test match wasn't important. If there was an overwhelming feeling the haka should be removed because players weren't sufficiently able to get excited (which looking at reactions to the haka from players certainly doesn't seem to be the case) - it should come from the players. Having played rugby for a school which had no haka, and never done the haka for my club, but facing the haka of others many times while standing still with my team mates - my own feelings are never resentment, its anticipation, excitement and wanting to tackle one of them harder than ever. I guess you should be on the recieving end of it before taking offense on behalf of others.
You always ask for respect and call others childish - but you can't seem to spot your own BS.
Got a silly argument going in stead of discussion again, oh well !...
my curse on this forum.
and well
nick, what can I tell you, if I get childish responses, I get childish responses, what do you want me to call them ? I'm not degrading them, I'm stating what they are. And there is no BS from me, my position is clear and it is what it is, and there's certainly nothing wrong with merely being for the ban of haka and pointing out precisely why. It's simply called discussion. Ppl make it look like this horrible or unsustainable position, which is downright strange given that I've extended rational thought to why I take that position...
And again, I honestly read your post and would like to call it BS (for there are many elements that prompt me to) but just won't...yet you won't hesitate to call mine BS straight away. It's just not cool man, what can I tell you ? You'll do it even more if I start saying it's - you know, the magical word - childish.
Oh and, "KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE HAKA", that's just funny man ! Ooh, my !! Sorry, sorry ! I guess I haven't read the ONE paragraph there on wikipedia !...so much to learn there, silly me !
As for your experience, that's fine man. But it's not an argument, it's just some anecdote about the experience of haka.
TRF_Selim: you're downright wrong about everything you've said. If proven wrong, I'll go with the better opinion. I've done it on these very pages in fact, but you wouldn't even care about that, you're more interested in blaming me right now, evidently.
And how my being proven wrong relevant at all to this thread, I'm still waiting on strong arguments to do that ?!
You're just blabbering about an idea of me that is 100% concocted and fits your comfortable fictitious side of the story. I'm not interested in that if you're blind as a mole and will see what you want, and won't see what's far more complex and real.
As for my take on the DISCUSSION AT HAND - I just don't think the haka should be allowed, and I don't care if I get such hostile and at times downright violent replies - for the aforementioned reasons. It's an advantage to a one side only, unless you're Tonga and co.
I mean, think about it this way:
right now it's this perfectly engraved practice, on the field as in the collective imagination of the Ruby fan.
But as a start, imagine being this guy on the England squad way back at the start of the 20th century or so (whenever the haka came about): you sing your national anthem with pride, observe theirs calmly, anticipating the game, minding your own business.....OKAY ! Game time right ?! Awww man, let's DO THI....oh...wait, what are they doin ? Oh there's a war dance ??....okay, I suppose because it's on their soil and a special occasion....oh, what ?? They'll be doing this EVERY SINGLE TEST MATCH ?!!.....mmmmmmyeah but what do we get in return ? Why would any team have smt MORE ? We should all have the exact same number of everything, 15 players each, one head coach, 1 try line each and well, one anthem as an honorary display of patriotism...no ??
NO !! Haka is good !! Haka is tradition !! Good, haka !! Goooood !
Plus, the psychological advantage: how ON EARTH do you justify that ?!
- oh yeah...the AB just simply start with a psychological advantage....*leaning against the wall, hands in pockets, looking into the room with no expression on face*
That's the feeling I get. And for the love of God stop insulting ME personally peeeeoooopohhl !!!
