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Is Jerome Kaino the knew Jerry Collins?

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Do people think that Kaino is anywhere near the same standard as collins. Im asking this because i read something about it (cant remember where) but it was saying that kaino is now playing better then collins ever played. I doubt that tbh i think kaino is class but i dont think hes better then Collins
 
No he is not the new Collins.
He is a better all round player than Collins.

You wouldn't have seen the covering defence from Collins that Kaino pulled off against Digby Ioane on saturday night.

Yes Collins could hit, and run the ball up, but Kaino can do all that and more.
 
I agree with FlukeArtist - he offers more the a team than Collins did, however he's not as good as Collins was at what Collins did best.
I'd rather be hit by Kaino than Collins (though to be fair I'd rather be hit by a bus than either of them....)
 
this is an interesting comparison, I rate both player very highly

Collins at his best around 2006/07 was a man mountain, but his form was more inconsistent than Kaino and had a very poor post 2007 World Cup spell between 2008 and 2009, and was very poor for Toulon. He did well at the Ospreys and was a reliable yard getter and great tackler of course and I wish he stayed longer to be honest.

If I were selecting an All Black team and had Kaino and Collins at their pomp, I would probably just opt for Kaino because he's more reliable
 
Kaino has been in phenomenal form this RWC - if he can continue to play at (or near) this level I'd suggest he has surpassed Collins. Kaino took a number of years of international rugby to get consistency in his game, but in the last few years he's been as crucial as any member of the AB's pack.
 
Its not even a fair comparison if you ask me, Collins didn't have half the athleticism of Kaino. Collins was a strong defender and ball carrier, but Kaino is all that and more.
Collins is just a little bit overrated if you ask me, not as overrated as So'oialo was though.

So'oialo was useless, never did understand how he could play so many tests. Show's how much depth we had at no 8 I suppose.
 
Kaino has surpassed collins, i agree with everyone he just has a better set of skills, collin could run hard at the line...kaino runs hard at gaps in the line, gets a few more meters and then looks for the offload, he also pretty much shuts down that blind side.

did anyone notice against the aussie, all our big plays were whilst moving from left the right? Kahui and Kaino jst shut down the left side of the field
 
Jerome 'The most underrated All Black' Kaino
 
Kaino's probably been the best player in the world over the past year or more. I'm a massive, massive fan, because he's got such a complete game for a blindside flanker. He's an awesome tackler, as was Collins, but I feel despite Kaino not hitting quite as hard, he's a more consistent tackler.

Jerome 'The most underrated All Black' Kaino

Not by anyone who knows something about the game.
 
i think is says alot about him he has completely shut Thompson out of the 6 jersey (and rightly so) i think thompson is a great blind side...but he's just not as good
 
Though they are both hard players, I think they are very different. For a start, Kaino has had a very good World Cup and a good 2 years in which we are now saying he's at the best of his game. Collins was pretty much the best blindside from 2004-2007. Different players. Kaino is very good at making metres just from pure power and has a very good work rate. Collins was a brilliant ball carrier and the hardest tackler I've ever seen. Kaino's not really an enforcer. They're just different players.

I think it was Larksea who said that he'd be better than Jerry Collins a year or so back, and I thought he was a poor man's Jerry Collins. I don't think he's better, or quite as devistating as Jerry Collins was (who I rate as the best blindside of the professional era, though many say Richard Hill who was also very good), but there is not doubt he's stood up this World Cup and playing better than I'd have imagined.

I'd probably say that Collins was a monster at what he did, which was run hard and hit harder, but Kaino is a better all round athlete. I think it's easy to dismiss the old for the new when the new is in great form and we haven't seen the old at it's best in four years, but I certainly think there is a case for both of them. Just different players with different games and skillsets.
 
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Bro honestly....Collins wasn't really a hit man. Kaino is a lot stronger and more agressive. Disagree that Kaino isnt an enforcer
 
Bro honestly....Collins wasn't really a hit man. Kaino is a lot stronger and more agressive. Disagree that Kaino isnt an enforcer

What...You ever watch him play? How on earth is he not a hit man and an enforcer? I'm pretty sure he lined up every hard nut in rugby and destroyed them. Collin Charvis, Schalk Burger, Sebastion Chabal. If anything I'd say his discipline his problem, but there is no doubt in my mind he is the hardest hitter. Don't think I've ever seen Kaino knock someone out, and I sure don't think he's strongest (Toeava claims he was the strongest All Black in the team over Carl Hayman). His bicepts are ludacris. As for agression, don't think I've ever heard he wasn't aggressive...not always in a good way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fPJE_teUN0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy7H78O0M_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro28FcNXbM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jX5bMUXXKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFuWnkwkx_4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqITcgnaKHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi0eqhZbTw4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DufbZJs0Iw

Not saying Kaino doesn't put in big hits, but I just don't think they're quite as devistating or as malicious. I don't think Kaino really acts as an enforcer at all. Never seen him really target someone or jump in when there is dirty play like Collins and Brad Thorn does.
 
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I personally think Aaron Cruden is the hit man. You guys should play him at 6.
 
Bro honestly....Collins wasn't really a hit man. Kaino is a lot stronger and more agressive. Disagree that Kaino isnt an enforcer

Collins wasn't a hit man. Dan Carter's only an average number 10.

Jerome Kaino is the new Collins only in the sense that he is NZ's most consistent and world class No. 6.

As for man for man comparisons - it's hardly fair, there was a different forward pack, loose forward combination dynamic and opposition players as well.
 
Collins wasn't a hit man. Dan Carter's only an average number 10.

Jerome Kaino is the new Collins only in the sense that he is NZ's most consistent and world class No. 6.

As for man for man comparisons - it's hardly fair, there was a different forward pack, loose forward combination dynamic and opposition players as well.

Haha, exactly.

Agree with your second point whole heartedly. They were part of different packs and I think Kaino and Collins have very different roles in the team.
 
Haha, exactly.

Agree with your second point whole heartedly. They were part of different packs and I think Kaino and Collins have very different roles in the team.

Opinions differ I suppose. I'll always prefer Kaino over collins, maybe I see different sides to the players. :)
 
HMS BANAHAN!!! He is the only true tackler! (mainly because hes English :D)
 

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