Missed Drop Goal ...

Discussion in 'Rugby Video Games & Apps' started by MightyQuin, Feb 6, 2006.

  1. MightyQuin

    MightyQuin Guest

    Couple of times I tried a drop goal attempt in this game, and missed wildly with the ball going dead ... I ended up being given a 5m scrum.

    I'm pretty sure this should be a 22 drop shouldn't it??! Anyone else noticed this?
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  3. Kirwan

    Kirwan Guest

    Yep, I also had a few restarts when I had just been scored against too.
  4. Sounds like a load of bo**ocks to me!
  5. Ooops ... sounds like a buggette. [​IMG]

    One of the problems with making a game where not too many people are familiar with the rules of the sport is that QA (testing) can overlook this kind of thing. We did have some knowledgable rugby types but they were in a minority.

    It's not actualy a bug as the game carries on and does something sensible. It's what I call a simulation bug ie. it breaks the rules of the sport.
  6. Kirwan

    Kirwan Guest

    It’s not a surprise, Rugby has become over complicated and many of the rules have exceptions. Must be a nightmare to code.
  7. lazy_chesnut

    lazy_chesnut Guest

    Scrums are never given when the ball is kicked dead either. Should be a scrum where the ball was kicked from, but I don't really care.

    Still a fun game.
  8. Kirwan

    Kirwan Guest

    They are if you took the ball back into the ingoal.
  9. lazy_chesnut

    lazy_chesnut Guest

    I think you have misunderstood me.

    If you punt the ball (say you're going for a deep touch) and the ball rolls over the try-line and over the dead-ball line, or touch-in-goal, it should be a scrum against the kicking team, taken where the ball was kicked from.

    That's the law.
  10. Kirwan

    Kirwan Guest

    Yes, unless it's deemed to be an attacking kick by the ref. Then it's just a drop out on the 22.

    It's the exceptions that make it a challenge for coders.
  11. Trev, or anyone else for that matter...can you get penalised for crossing/obstruction?

    Maybe offside?

    A list would be prefered...cheers.
  12. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Offside features, but once again crossing has no effect.
  13. The crossing offence is really tricky to grasp in a game to be honest. Would be ncie for it to be perfected and added in the coming years though.
  14. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest


    Crossing is simple; if you block a tackler or run into your own player with the ball, your crossing.

    If they can do offside, they can do that.
  15. mikeeboy

    mikeeboy Guest

    The only penalty I've seen called is for an early or late tackle.

    Offside certainly doesn't get called and crossing never happens as far as I can see.
  16. Early tackle and late tackle is something missing from the EA series unfortunently.

    The crossing offense can be hard to grasp in a game if they cannot grasp basic gameplay and fun factors. With EA anyway... :p
  17. mikeeboy

    mikeeboy Guest

    I didn't think there was an exception to this rule?
  18. I think so... ;)
  19. mikeeboy

    mikeeboy Guest

    Crossing rarely gets called in real rugby these days. I don't think it's a big deal if it's missing.

    The main penalties in rugby are centred around the ruck area - killing the ball, hands in the ruck, not releasing, not entering from the back feet, or the defensive line creeping up too far.

    Unfortunately this is complex and is sadly omitted from video games.
  20. What we try really hard to do is not penalise the player for things beyond his control - this means that we do let a lot of stuff go.

    Crossing requires 2 players. As you will always be controlling the ball carrier, it means you will have run into a player controlled by the AI. If he's in a dumb position or running lines that you feel he shouldn't, it would be really annoying. So we do not call it.

    Offisides do get called sometimes, but we let it go a lot - particularly if the offending player is off-screen. I know this isn't accurate as a sim, but it makes the game flow better.

    Stuff around the ruck - killing the ball, hands etc. is really difficult to implement without changing the focus of the game. And I apologise to the hardcore rugby enthusiasts who subsequently think our game was too simplistic. What it does do though is allow the game to be played by novices and people who do not necessairly understand the rules. That's got to be good for our sport.
  21. MightyQuin

    MightyQuin Guest

    According to the IRB site there aren't any exceptions when the ball is punted dead in goal ... the other team get the choice of a scrum or 22m drop-out.

    A missed drop kick on the other hand just restarts with a 22m ... or at least, it does except in RC2006 ;)
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