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Javen
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I hope Obama wins, who knows which country McCain might decide to invade if he gets ****** off. I've never heard of someone being a prisoner of war for 7 years without a mental illness.
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Haysie
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It's a shame that John McCain isn't going to be run out of the polls by as much of a landslide as this...
Maybe someone should vote for him just so we can say that it'll nearly be a 200% increase?
Maybe someone should vote for him just so we can say that it'll nearly be a 200% increase?
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sambãd5
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Nov 1 2008, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
im amazed that this comment didnt get noticed, becuase of how true it is. obama WILL find some things in his presedential campaigne, and terms because he IS BLACK. i know in nz, and i assume the uk, the bluntness of racisism isnt as abvious, or there at all, compared to usa. i dont know how things work outside of nz, but from my view it baffels me how you can elect a presedent based largely on a) them being a christian, B) time served in armed forces.
for me personally, i would vote against anyone who belived that religion determins how a country is run. i would hate to say that they were losely based around biblical reasons but times are changing. a lot has happened in 2000 years. free speach, peoples rights, prefrences, personal belifs. the world like it is, OTHER religions, other cultures.
the second - one of mccains attacking points is how little obama has served in the army. im lead to beleive it is 18 months. i could be wrong. and i can understand where people would be coming from, you need to know what you are sending your boys into. but that doesnt mean that is a be all and end all. although that doesnt tend to be the case in the states.
basically the point im trying to make, is that things are diffrent over there. their weird people. the fact that george bush got into office, the fact that george bush got a second term, and the fact that this election is as close as it is, defies logic. im fairly confident that obama will win, but i thought george bush was gone too, four years ago.
im amazed that this comment didnt get noticed, becuase of how true it is. obama WILL find some things in his presedential campaigne, and terms because he IS BLACK. i know in nz, and i assume the uk, the bluntness of racisism isnt as abvious, or there at all, compared to usa. i dont know how things work outside of nz, but from my view it baffels me how you can elect a presedent based largely on a) them being a christian, B) time served in armed forces.
for me personally, i would vote against anyone who belived that religion determins how a country is run. i would hate to say that they were losely based around biblical reasons but times are changing. a lot has happened in 2000 years. free speach, peoples rights, prefrences, personal belifs. the world like it is, OTHER religions, other cultures.
the second - one of mccains attacking points is how little obama has served in the army. im lead to beleive it is 18 months. i could be wrong. and i can understand where people would be coming from, you need to know what you are sending your boys into. but that doesnt mean that is a be all and end all. although that doesnt tend to be the case in the states.
basically the point im trying to make, is that things are diffrent over there. their weird people. the fact that george bush got into office, the fact that george bush got a second term, and the fact that this election is as close as it is, defies logic. im fairly confident that obama will win, but i thought george bush was gone too, four years ago.
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An Tarbh
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It has tightened up ridiculously in the last few days, if that momentum continues to swing to McCain then he could well cause an upset. States like Virginia, Pensylvania and Ohio were solid for Obama last week, now they're suddenly toss ups. I know states like Georgia and Arizona have come the other way but have they come enough to swing all the way to Obama, you could say the same about the first 3 states I mentioned as well, so it's not a lost cause but this time 4 and 8 years ago I would have given you good odds that the monkey would have got his banana but indeed he did so stranger things have happened.
In a tight race in the swing states Obama needs to take Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Pensylvania and he's all set. Methinks there'll be plenty of finger nails chewed down to the quick tomorrow night.
In a tight race in the swing states Obama needs to take Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and Pensylvania and he's all set. Methinks there'll be plenty of finger nails chewed down to the quick tomorrow night.
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O'Rothlain
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Oct 31 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
so anyone who votes for McCain is a racist now? If America votes for McCain it will prove they're a fundamentally stupid country.
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I disagree with you guys.
McCain is an old ******* who chose a inexperienced running mate. Obama is an Inexperienced candidate with an old ******* as his running mate. There are no good choices in this election. It's a really sad time in my opinion. On paper, if we look at who is most experienced to run a nation (regardless of their policies), I think it goes to McCain...he's been around and knows how to handle government. Having said that he's a stubborn old git. I honestly don't think he's a "Bush Clone." Having said that, I'm not a huge fan of his. I got into an argument with him in 1999 ahead of the 2000 election in a townhall meeting held at my university (I got booted out) over his former immigration policy.
Obama just isn't qualified to be a world leader. He's not even served a full term as a Senator before leaving and running for president. People bash on McCains choice of Palin, but Obama's choice of Biden is almost as bad. Most people have seen Biden as a joke for years. I'm not against the Obama campaigns social issues, those are mostly good. Everything else is what lacks. No real energy agenda. No real War plan. I can see his appeal, I have a lot of friends who've been captivated by him, however, I just think it's a lot of fluff. If I vote McCain, I know what I'm getting. If I vote Obama I have know clue what I'm getting. Regardless, it won't be more of the same after this election as the president will be stripped of all the extra powers that Bush accumalated over his reign. The Senate and Congress will be running the show now.
So, in my opinion as an American, we have two horrible choices.
I personally see McCain winning. There are too many racist people in this country. I don't think a vote for McCain is a racist vote, I just don't see racist people voting for Obama. I could be dead wrong.
The problem is America is too fractualized. We're too big and it's hard for any one person to really represent our country. Who represents me? I have leanings towards the socialist side, but strong moral values (I'm pro-life and pro-family). No one really fits my needs.
so anyone who votes for McCain is a racist now? If America votes for McCain it will prove they're a fundamentally stupid country.
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I disagree with you guys.
McCain is an old ******* who chose a inexperienced running mate. Obama is an Inexperienced candidate with an old ******* as his running mate. There are no good choices in this election. It's a really sad time in my opinion. On paper, if we look at who is most experienced to run a nation (regardless of their policies), I think it goes to McCain...he's been around and knows how to handle government. Having said that he's a stubborn old git. I honestly don't think he's a "Bush Clone." Having said that, I'm not a huge fan of his. I got into an argument with him in 1999 ahead of the 2000 election in a townhall meeting held at my university (I got booted out) over his former immigration policy.
Obama just isn't qualified to be a world leader. He's not even served a full term as a Senator before leaving and running for president. People bash on McCains choice of Palin, but Obama's choice of Biden is almost as bad. Most people have seen Biden as a joke for years. I'm not against the Obama campaigns social issues, those are mostly good. Everything else is what lacks. No real energy agenda. No real War plan. I can see his appeal, I have a lot of friends who've been captivated by him, however, I just think it's a lot of fluff. If I vote McCain, I know what I'm getting. If I vote Obama I have know clue what I'm getting. Regardless, it won't be more of the same after this election as the president will be stripped of all the extra powers that Bush accumalated over his reign. The Senate and Congress will be running the show now.
So, in my opinion as an American, we have two horrible choices.
I personally see McCain winning. There are too many racist people in this country. I don't think a vote for McCain is a racist vote, I just don't see racist people voting for Obama. I could be dead wrong.
The problem is America is too fractualized. We're too big and it's hard for any one person to really represent our country. Who represents me? I have leanings towards the socialist side, but strong moral values (I'm pro-life and pro-family). No one really fits my needs.
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St Helens RLFC
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O'R and An Tarbh - can you guys maybe explain to me, as I don't understand, as to why this sudden late swing is occuring?
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Sir Speedy
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I haven't been following the election, but I'm going to go with the (apparent) majority on this one and say I'm rooting for Obama.
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O'Rothlain
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 3 2008, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I blame the media. We've had nothing but speculation for what seems decades on who's on top. Early voting this time has been swamped in tons of states (including mine)...like 2 hour lines. So I'm sure they are handling more exit polling data earlier in the election process. The simple fact is this is just a tight race that has greatly divded our nation. I don't think we'll have a real clue till it's all said and done. As An Tarbh said, loads of nail bitting on this one.
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An Tarbh
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 3 2008, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
As it comes to the end of the election there are less and less undecided voters in the samples that are being polled and at the moment it looks like a fair whack of those undecideds are going towards McCain.
As it comes to the end of the election there are less and less undecided voters in the samples that are being polled and at the moment it looks like a fair whack of those undecideds are going towards McCain.
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An Tarbh
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Just one question though O'Rothlain what actual governing experience does McCain have, has he ever served in a cabinet. I accept he has great experience and he's certainly a more capable politician than what we've seen in the campaign but it just seems to me like he's abandoned his core beliefs in favour of winning at all costs and I wonder if he does whether he'll go back to those beliefs or keeping biting the hand that has fed him throughout this campaign?
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Fa'atau82
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Well, after some dirty tactics, the late run of dirty slogans is upon us and these include:
For McCain:
- If you vote Obama he will rename eggnog to ****** this xmas. Vote McCain.
- Barack O'Bama. Just a popular black dude with irish connections and a bad attitude. Vote McCain.
- Vote McClain. Yippee Kai Yay m*therf*ckers!
For McCain:
- If you vote Obama he will rename eggnog to ****** this xmas. Vote McCain.
- Barack O'Bama. Just a popular black dude with irish connections and a bad attitude. Vote McCain.
- Vote McClain. Yippee Kai Yay m*therf*ckers!
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O'Rothlain
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Nov 3 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I have no clue about McCain. He's never agreed with Bush. He's run against him for the nomination since the first Bush election and has always been a Bush critic. So, I don't understand the "more of the same" statement people always make. I don't think he's really abandoned his core beliefs. I think they are still there. What he's changed is his outlook on governmental role on some issues. At his core he still is who he's always been. In my opinion out of all our candidates he has the most political experience. Not that he's the most experienced person in the US. I hope that makes sense. Again...I think I will vote McCain tomorrow unless something radically changes my mind. However, it doesn't mean I'm a huge supporter. It's really coming down to issues like abortion for me. I'm pro-life, and so is McCain. I'm not really a fan of either of the two candidates plan for our nation. McCain will be a bully internationally which is not cool, and Obama will have his ass handed to him internationally which again is not cool. We don't have a good middle of the road person that can make domestice change and restore our international relations. I think we're having to pick fixing ourselves internally over fixing things internationally.
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St Helens RLFC
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We do have a good, middle of the road candidate for the US Presidential election. Nate, are you busy tomorrow???
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Sir Speedy
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Obama seems to be dominating this poll aswell.
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ChiefsFan
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You know what was funny, when it was simply between Clinton and Obama and McCain didn't stand a chance. I miss the goold ol' days...
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St Helens RLFC
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7707364.stm
Very sad news, but I think Obama has got a boost to the sympathy vote tomorrow.
Very sad news, but I think Obama has got a boost to the sympathy vote tomorrow.
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O'Rothlain
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Nov 3 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 3 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I don't know what to say about this having affecting the election. Earlier he sort of called his grandma racist, and then later sang her praise. I'm sure this will swing a few people via the Pop Idol Voters. His grandmother passing away should have nothing to do with his capabilities.
That really doesn't say much though, does it? How many involved Americans actually voted in that pole?Obama seems to be dominating this poll aswell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Nov 3 2008, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I don't know what to say about this having affecting the election. Earlier he sort of called his grandma racist, and then later sang her praise. I'm sure this will swing a few people via the Pop Idol Voters. His grandmother passing away should have nothing to do with his capabilities.
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O'Rothlain
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChiefsFan @ Nov 3 2008, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Actually McCain had his best chance then. That was before the VP nominations. McCain was winning because the Democratic Party was so torn.
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Enguelaz
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Wait for the magic recounts of Florida and Texas guys, will be fun to see another stolen election. To me, both candidates are just puppets, we all wonder why they chose Palin? Well, if you get someone malleable and stupid enough to sign any bill then they qualify... The all thing is masquerade - Obama kept repeating his speech about "Change". But nothing will happen, it will be like in those "cheap" supermarkets, where you think it's cheaper just cause it's written everywhere...
I lost all confidence is those rulling classes, after all they're human and the only thing they care about at the end f the day is themselves...
I lost all confidence is those rulling classes, after all they're human and the only thing they care about at the end f the day is themselves...
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O'Rothlain
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Enguelaz @ Nov 3 2008, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
The most recent example of this was the 2000 election when Democrat Al Gore got 50,999,897 votes (48.4%) to Republican George W Bush's 50,456,002 (47.9%). Bush ended up with 271 delegates, compared to Gore's 266 following a controversial decision by the Supreme Court to award Florida's electors to Bush."
- http://www.irishtimes.com/indepth/uselecti...res-voting.html
However controversial it did seem, Bush did win. I think our system is messed up, but he legitimately won in our messed up system. People like to comment on things they don't really understand because it is an easy criticism. F___ing Michael Moore.
"Because the General Election is a "winner-takes-all" system, it is possible, albeit rare, for the candidate who gets the largest popular vote to lose.
The most recent example of this was the 2000 election when Democrat Al Gore got 50,999,897 votes (48.4%) to Republican George W Bush's 50,456,002 (47.9%). Bush ended up with 271 delegates, compared to Gore's 266 following a controversial decision by the Supreme Court to award Florida's electors to Bush."
- http://www.irishtimes.com/indepth/uselecti...res-voting.html
However controversial it did seem, Bush did win. I think our system is messed up, but he legitimately won in our messed up system. People like to comment on things they don't really understand because it is an easy criticism. F___ing Michael Moore.
