Russia and the West

Cruz_del_Sur · Nov 24, 2015

valley commando said:
Every Mexican knows Obama but 1/2 the USA would struggle to name Nieto, just shows how uninformed middle Americans are the same thickos thinkk Wales and Scotland are counties in England.

Just as uninformed as you are about European politics, mr "Tell me which politician has the balls to come out with comments like that.".

valley commando · Nov 24, 2015

Cruz_del_Sur said:
Just as uninformed as you are about European politics, mr "Tell me which politician has the balls to come out with comments like that.".

How does that comment make me uninformed

Cruz_del_Sur · Nov 24, 2015

Because anyone who occasionally follows western European politics knows that are quite a few politicians, from Austria, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway (just to name a few) who have been making similar comments, for quite some time. I even posted some names in the other thread. Wilders is particularly known in Western Europe.

McTallshort · Nov 24, 2015

Looks like Johnny Turk has got fed up of its air space being constantly violated by the Russians.

Turkey 1 Russia 0

ncurd · Nov 24, 2015

Tallshort said:
Looks like Johnny Turk has got fed up of its air space being constantly violated by the Russians.

Turkey 1 Russia 0

They better hope it was in their airspace and it wasn't on trajectory to leave it at the time it was shot down. Otherwise they probably won't get NATO backing which will lead to Turkey 1 Russia 256.

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Should say I very much doubt Turkey was wrong in this respect and the plane almost certainly entered their airspace. But yeah this isn't good news if it starts to escalate.

First Russian/Soviet plane shot down by NATO since the 1950's.

McTallshort · Nov 24, 2015

ncurd said:
They better hope it was in their airspace and it wasn't on trajectory to leave it at the time it was shot down. Otherwise they probably won't get NATO backing which will lead to Turkey 1 Russia 256.

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Should say I very much doubt Turkey was wrong in this respect and the plane almost certainly entered their airspace. But yeah this isn't good news if it starts to escalate.

First Russian/Soviet plane shot down by NATO since the 1950's.

The Russians have been trying it on with every European NATO country for the last few years because it knows Obama doesn't want to know but it looks like the Turks have had enough perhaps the Russians will think twice now. We should do the same thing next time one of their bear's goes flying down the Scottish coast.

ncurd · Nov 24, 2015

Tallshort said:
The Russians have been trying it on with every European NATO country for the last few years because it knows Obama doesn't want to know but it looks like the Turks have had enough perhaps the Russians will think twice now. We should do the same thing next time one of their bear's goes flying down the Scottish coast.

Agreed partly the biggest worry I have is escalation I wouldn't suggest firing first is best course of action. It's aggressive to enter another nations airspace but what harm is it actually doing? You don't want a further escalating game of *** for tat.

McTallshort · Nov 24, 2015

ncurd said:
Agreed partly the biggest worry I have is escalation I wouldn't suggest firing first is best course of action. It's aggressive to enter another nations airspace but what harm is it actually doing? You don't want a further escalating game of *** for tat.

You cannot have your airspace constantly violated by another nation particularly when there is a long and protracted war going on in the region and the nation doing the violating has a habit of getting hostile. The Russians have been pushing this and trying to bully the likes of Turkey. Now the bully has had a little slap I believe they will wind their neck in a bit. They still think it's the USSR versus NATO and if the Americans are too weak to act no one will but Turkey have shown them that they are just another country and a poor dysfunctional one at that.

Obviously Vladimir12 will be along shortly to tell us it's all the Wests fault and Turkey is under orders from Washington.

valley commando · Nov 24, 2015

Cruz_del_Sur said:
Because anyone who occasionally follows western European politics knows that are quite a few politicians, from Austria, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway (just to name a few) who have been making similar comments, for quite some time. I even posted some names in the other thread. Wilders is particularly known in Western Europe.

My comment was re the American citizens lack of knowledge. You have answered a previous post in which I take your point and bow to your greater knowledge on that subject however my comments concerned UK politicians, they being the ones with tiny balls.

dragos03 · Nov 24, 2015

It will be interesting to see how Putin reacts. He did nothing when it was confirmed that a bomb downed that tourist plane in Egypt, can he afford to do nothing again? Putin could lose a lot of support if his own people start to perceive him as being weak, especially after building a tough macho image for so many years.

McTallshort · Nov 24, 2015

dragos03 said:
It will be interesting to see how Putin reacts. He did nothing when it was confirmed that a bomb downed that tourist plane in Egypt, can he afford to do nothing again? Putin could lose a lot of support if his own people start to perceive him as being weak, especially after building a tough macho image for so many years.

He's taken a few risks with his current course of actions. He has set out to show him as a tough ruler who's happy to take on the west, I think he gambled on no one in NATO standing up to him and ISIS being to concerned in attacking the west to strike at Russian targets. He has been wrong on both accounts and is now stuck in a war zone surrounded by hostile governments who have changed their ROE regarding stray Russian war planes.

What's he going to do? What can he do, attack ISIS for blowing up the passenger plane?already doing that and its not worked. What's it going to do with Turkey?attack one of the largest and most modern armed countries in NATO? Yeah right

Vladimir12 · Nov 24, 2015

So starting World War III.

McTallshort · Nov 24, 2015

Vladimir12 said:
So starting World War III.

Shouldn't go flying in others air space then.

Vladimir12 · Nov 24, 2015

Tallshort said:
Shouldn't go flying in others air space then.

Tell that to the NATO in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia ...

McTallshort · Nov 24, 2015

Vladimir12 said:
Tell that to the NATO in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia ...

And they were shot at to. Think the serbs even shot down a stealth bomber.

One day you will realize Russia is not a big player anymore. The Turks know that that's why they did it.

Russia who?

Mrs. Peter Quinn · Nov 24, 2015

Vladimir12 said:
Tell that to the NATO in Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia ...

Oh so that's why you're doing it - because you feel so strongly that those countries are being violated! Good to see Russia flying the flag in the defence of the rights of others...oh wait.

Vladimir12 said:
So starting World War III.

Submarines spotted off the British and Swedish coasts, planes flirting with other countries airspace...etc... It's your own bloody fault.

Vladimir12 · Nov 24, 2015

I was a couple of days will not, but I'll come and answer all questions.

Turkey account for it.

Moon out of it no one will think, but the Kurds will receive Russian weapons.

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Tallshort said:
And they were shot at to. Think the serbs even shot down a stealth bomber.

One day you will realize Russia is not a big player anymore. The Turks know that that's why they did it.

Russia who?

Russia is a country that can destroy you, along with the United States in 30 minutes ...

ncurd · Nov 24, 2015

vladimir12 said:
russia is a country that can destroy you, along with the united states in 30 minutes ...

mad

forums keeps removing caps -_-

McTallshort · Nov 24, 2015

Vladimir12 said:
I was a couple of days will not, but I'll come and answer all questions.

Turkey account for it.

Moon out of it no one will think, but the Kurds will receive Russian weapons.

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Russia is a country that can destroy you, along with the United States in 30 minutes ...

With what? A load of rusting IBMs that havnt been serviced in years. Most of your fleet is rotting in its ports without any fuel and the only serviceable part of your air force is currently stuck in Syria getting shot down by the Turks. Start WW3? You couldn't start a 2 stroke engine. Putin's a play ground bully who just got a smack in the chops and its about time too.

And the Kurds already get Russian weapons but stopped using them when they started getting better western ones.

Vladimir12 · Nov 24, 2015

In general, I personally not surprised that your sympathies are with the foreign Turks in Europe.

I think that if not killed one pilot and one million Russian people, you will not care about that.

You also did not care when destroying civilians Donbass.

You still included current when Ukraine Crimea in the winter, no light left hospitals, schools and homes.

Therefore, you do not have faith, we hope only to themselves.

Do not ask us to friends.

I go away for two days, come all to answer.

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