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RWC: Samoa - Wales (18-9-11, 15:30)

Yeah I know! I tell his cousin to tell him to stick to playing rugby and don't be a sore loser (i'm just ignoring the other part of his tweet because we all know that was just Frekin stupid!!)

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I would prefer Stephen Donald as well! LMAO

As far as I'm concerned, he's just one man and doesn't affect my view of Samoa as the great team they are. They are always one of the teams I like to follow and I was pretty gutted about the result too. I really think that he had a bit of a point initially and now no-one will pay it the attention it could've got due to the way he's handling everything else, which is pretty sad.

Thank goodness there's another 29 blokes in the Samoan squad with for the most part real graciousness and a humble nature.
 
As far as I'm concerned, he's just one man and doesn't affect my view of Samoa as the great team they are. They are always one of the teams I like to follow and I was pretty gutted about the result too. I really think that he had a bit of a point initially and now no-one will pay it the attention it could've got due to the way he's handling everything else, which is pretty sad.

Thank goodness there's another 29 blokes in the Samoan squad with for the most part real graciousness and a humble nature.
Yeah he'll probably get a beat down from one of the boys, but he should be stood down because that sort of crap is just unacceptable. It just ain't the way we Samoans roll! We were always taught to be humble and to give the shirts off our own backs to any man in need, as you can see some seem to stray from these teachings.
 
Well, not a great performance atall from Wales, but hugely relieved we won. Waay too many mistakes from us, coupled with a great Samoan performance. I'm not quite sure what the ref was doing regarding the ruck though, I was screaming at the tv which I'm sure the neighbours enjoyed at 5am. He allowed Samoa to pour over the top and stand offside at pretty much every ruck, but this doesn't change the fact that Wales were poor at this aspect of the game aswell. Warburton couldn't get into the game like he did last week, and loosing Lydiate was a big blow imo, especially when Powell had such a poor game after coming on.

I think there was evidence of quite a big hangover from the SA game, because the intensity simply wasn't there in the forwards. A couple of missed opportunities certainly didn't help either, especially Charteris' forward pass to Roberts in the first half which could have broken Samoas spirits somewhat. It was nice to see that Wales' defense stood up strong all game, despite Samoa throwing everything at us, and ultimately that won us the game.

After an excellent lineout showing against SA, the same old mistakes appeared in this game, and I think this was mainly due to us being over adventurous, going for tale ball time and again instead of using Charteris at the front a little more as they did v SA. Too many mistakes meant we couldn't keep hold of the ball for long enough periods of the game, allowing Samoa to dictate the pace and where the game was played, exactly opposite to what the gameplan would have been I'm sure.

There were a few standout performances in the Welsh team. Roberts was immense once again, and showed that he could easily compete with the physicality of the Samoans. I was impressed with North aswell, who always made ground, even if it was through people. Phillips had a good first half, especially in defense, where he stopped a certain try. I also thought Bennett had another good display, although this was marred somewhat by the shaky lineout. Lastly, the replacements really had an impact, especially Halfpenny, who managed to worm his way through the Samoan defense on a couple of occasions, and ultimately set up Wales' winning try.

I'm sure the Welsh squad and management will take the win and move on quite swiftly. Certainly hoping Lydiate and Hook are ok for the Fiji test, especially Lydiate who's a big part of this team imo. I think Gatland needs to make a decision about Ryan Jones, if he's not gonna be fit anytime soon, then he needs to call someone up as backup. Today showed that Powell isn't up to it (as we all knew before the Argentina match clouded our memory). I'd bring in Turnbull, because he's a grafting kind of player that can cover a few positions (6, 7 and lock). Today showed that if we loose Lydiate or Warburton, we're gonna struggle big time at the ruck, and this world cup has shown that the ruck is more important than ever to your chances of doing well.
 
Really glad to have got the win today. Hopefully Lydiate and Hook will be fit enough for the Fiji match and that it is not too serious, wouldn't have expected either of them to play against Namibia anyway. One thing which really disappointed me today was Andy Powell. I have always been an admirer of Powell and had high hopes for him when he came on but he looked really out of his depth today. He made very little ground, his handling was awful and his defence was nowhere near the level of Lydiate's. I still think with a few games he could get back to his Lions form which i personally thought was fantastic so he's got to play against Namibia to rediscover that, but i think it will be tough. He was my only massive disappointment today and i hope for his sake that he can have some positive impact in the later stages. Overall I think it was good to see Jenkins today, probably have him start against Namibia and give Lee Byrne some game time but Halfpenny was awesome when he came on. I think that if we play like we did against SA we can take Ireland but a lackluster performance like today will see us going home massively disappointed.
 
Really glad to have got the win today. Hopefully Lydiate and Hook will be fit enough for the Fiji match and that it is not too serious, wouldn't have expected either of them to play against Namibia anyway. One thing which really disappointed me today was Andy Powell. I have always been an admirer of Powell and had high hopes for him when he came on but he looked really out of his depth today. He made very little ground, his handling was awful and his defence was nowhere near the level of Lydiate's. I still think with a few games he could get back to his Lions form which i personally thought was fantastic so he's got to play against Namibia to rediscover that, but i think it will be tough. He was my only massive disappointment today and i hope for his sake that he can have some positive impact in the later stages. Overall I think it was good to see Jenkins today, probably have him start against Namibia and give Lee Byrne some game time but Halfpenny was awesome when he came on. I think that if we play like we did against SA we can take Ireland but a lackluster performance like today will see us going home massively disappointed.

Pah, Powell is rubbish and doesn't deserve to be in this squad imo. He's a decent ball carrier when he catches the ball and can avoid a couple of tacklers, but other than that he offers very little. His workrate at the ruck is extremely poor, his defense is suspect, he offers nothing in the lineout, and he gives away penalties (although he didn't in this game). I'd even prefer JT than Powell, because at least JT gives 100% and is a decent lineout jumper + a versatile player who can cover the entire backrow and second row. Not saying I want JT called up, despite him improved form for the O's in the last couple of matches, because he doesn't suit the game we are trying to play. I think it's obvious that we need cover for flanker in the squad with Ryan Jones injured. Our options are Martyn Williams (specialist openside only, and probably not enough graft for what we need), Justin Tipuric (again, possibly not enough graft, and zero experience) and Josh Turnbull (the one I'd call up, due to his versatility and doggedness at the breakdown).

Just read on BBC, that Ryan Jones could be fit for Namibia in the end.

It'll be nice to have an easy game next week (no disrespect to Namibia, but it should be a stroll, even if the score doesn't end up being massive), especially for the players I'm sure. I'f rest most of the players if I were Gatland, maybe keep Shane so he can bolster his try count before retiring :p. I'd go for a team like: 01 Gethin Jenkins (needs gametime), 02 Lloyd Burns/Ken Owens, 03 Craig Mitchell, 04 Bradley Davies, 05 Cherteris (haven't got another lock), 06 Ryan Jones (if fit), 07 Dan Lydiate (if fit, if not we need somebody else, Warburton needs a rest!), 08 Andy Powell (is good enough for this match), 09 Tavis Knoyle, 10 Stephen Jones, 11 Shane Williams, 12 Scott Williams, 13 Jon Davies, 14 Leigh Halfpenny, 15 Lee Byrne.
 
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What about Gareth Delve? agree about Powell,he's a liability
good to see Gethin back.
 
I think Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu needs to get some perspective....

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Am I the only one to think that if Samoa won (and they almost did) then they would be bragging about the fact they had less time between games? (obvs not the part past the "wales get 7 days, we get 3.")

Either way it was a very close game, Samoa should do well again Fiji and South Africa and have a chance still at getting into the quaters
 
I think Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu needs to get some perspective....
He's got a point although he's gone completely over the top in expressing it. It's nothing against Samoa, some 'Tier 1' nationas, like Scotland and Italy, also have two games in five days. It's not fair to give an advantage to the big teams and this is a problem with rugby in general. It's keeping rugby a closed shop and stopping it becoming a global sport.

But if the game was truly global the Samoan and Welsh rugby teams would be about as competitive as the Samoan and Welsh football teams, so from our perspective maybe it's a good thing?! :p
 
I agree he has a point, he just has a crappy way of making it

He's always kicking off about something or other on twitter, but that one takes the biscuit
 
His tweets make him seem unprofessional tbh, he's now stating "U dumb nuts, You get it? It's comparing injustice, not the degree.... Aww f**k it you idiots." Along with continuing to go on about the rest days difference, he has a point, but the way he's putting it across is wrong. In a ideal world there would be a week wait between each game (games on sat or sunday only) but it aint really possible.
 
I agree with Eliota (although there is no need for him to constantly swear) but his point is correct

Canada, Georgia, Russia, USA, Namibia and Samoa are the most hard done by teams

they all play the first two matches with 3 days rest then have a weeks rest and then play two more with 3 days rest

the World Cup would be so much better if all the teams could be at 100% condition for each match, but the only options are another week onto the pool stages or a 16 team World Cup

the smaller nations being given a hard deal by scheduling is not new in World Cups, and probably has improved from 2003 when Italy played 4 matches in 15 days (I think)
 
A win is a win and boy oh boy did Wales need that.

Samoa came with the intention to disrupt the Welsh party and did it. Infact I'd go as far to say they crashed it. Samoa gave Wales one hell of a game today and that can only be good for Samoan rugby.

Whether they were unlucky not to win it ... I'm not so sure.

Wales were dire in a lot of areas today but good in some. Wales were successful when they took the ball up the middle, when they did they gained ground and when they didn't ... they either lost the ball or conceded the penalty.

Halfpenny at full back was a revelation today. Hopefully this is the way Gatland will go in the rest of the RWC. Halfpenny was up with play and offered a real threat in attack and his defence was good also. It was also good to see Gethin Jenkins back today. Really made an impact when he came on, making a few turnovers and building on the success of Paul James in the scrum. Notable mention must go to Huw Bennett who put his body on the line today and showed that he has some talent. Granted he got himself isolated a few times he was pretty good elsewhere. Roberts was also effective in both attack and defence.

Where the negatives lay with Wales ... allowing counter rucking both legally and illegally from Samoa. Wales ruck formation was dire and Wales often invited Samoa for the steal. Kicking ... dear god it was dire at times ... often aimless and pointless. Wales lack a World Class goal kicker ... Preistland and Hook are neither this. Both need to improve kicking from the floor and hand ... urgently. Also Wales game plan was dire. Often shifting from side to side and as I said as soon as they went direct, Wales gained yards and territory. Wales blew a few chances today notably the Charteris to Roberts pass ... I believe Roberts would have beaten Tuilagi on the drift.

Player wise ... Andy Powell ... boy can't really tackle, can't hold onto the ball and neither can he win ball for Wales on the floor. Andy do us a favour and just sod off, you offer nothing but comical value to Wales. Jonathan Davies showed he is not international standard ... another try he almost botched for Wales ... and this is not his first. His distribution and kicking is weak and at times is a liability in defence, Warren a Hook-Roberts combo in center field would do nicely.

As for Rolland ... :lol: ... he was dire and dire both ways. He got the double movement correct, sadly for Samoa the player did try and get up instead of placing the ball. He missed a few offsides for both teams and I thought his handling of the scrum was dire. All in all. Rolland was poor for both sides.

Samoa as I said can take heart. Definitely came to play. Just not clinical not enough.
 
As for Rolland ... :lol: ... he was dire and dire both ways. He got the double movement correct, sadly for Samoa the player did try and get up instead of placing the ball. He missed a few offsides for both teams and I thought his handling of the scrum was dire. All in all. Rolland was poor for both sides.
Well, he got it correct (I think), but it was the wrong call. It wasn't a double movement: there's no such thing in rugby union, and it's worrying that the misconception is so prevalent, that no-one really picks up on it. In rugby league, where it is an offense, when a ball carrier hits the floor, they're not allowed to reach out towards the tryline to score the try. That's a double movement. In rugby union, you can be tackled by a player, hit the floor and then reach out with the ball to score a try, as long as this motion is immediate after hitting the floor. Fa'asavalu was tackled and didn't manage to "immediately" place the ball over the tryline - he didn't even place it, he shuffled. In trying to do so though, he didn't release the ball, which is a penalty. Rolland should have called, "Not releasing." In the end, it'll just make people further confused about "double movements". All this said, tacklers must release their players immediately, and Phillips was holding onto Fa'asavalu after making the try-saving tackle, so it probably should have been a Samoa penalty.
 
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Samoa as I said can take heart. Definitely came to play. Just not clinical not enough.
You have to feel for Samoa though... this is it for them. Wales have a shot at glory every year in the Six Nations and against the SH top teams every Autumn. Samoa only get their top team together for a decent length of time once every four years and if they don't make it then, that's it. Samoa can't really 'take heart' because in four years it will be a completely different team.

Something NEEDS TO BE DONE about this injustice. Don't know what though. :)
 
Cymro I agree with you on pretty much all counts. Davies bouncing the ball off the ground in his pass was cringe-worthy, just like every time Powell screwed up. I slightly disagree with you on the kicking, it wasn't amazing, but it was better then some teams this tournament (Scotland). Definitely agree about the rucks. What did you think about Adam Jones? It looked to me that he wasn't as mobile as he could be and that he could have done more in the ruck.
 
I was at the game. Majority Samoan fans but have to admit the Welsh fans made more noise.

Game was good to watch.

From where i was sitting, Tasesa cost us 9 points. He played to how we expected him to play - like shite!! Cant blame him though, he is consistently shite!!

P.S Wales fans are great. Friendly and lovely people. I hope Wales go through to the semis at least. For Samoa, heads up boys. Focus on the Fiji game and play as well as you did against the Welsh then we should win. You have 7 days to rest up. Fingers crossed that Tusi Pisi is right come next Sunday because we missed him yesterday.

Go Samoa!!
 
Cymro I agree with you on pretty much all counts. Davies bouncing the ball off the ground in his pass was cringe-worthy, just like every time Powell screwed up. I slightly disagree with you on the kicking, it wasn't amazing, but it was better then some teams this tournament (Scotland). Definitely agree about the rucks. What did you think about Adam Jones? It looked to me that he wasn't as mobile as he could be and that he could have done more in the ruck.

I think Adam is carrying an injury ... it certainly looks like he was today.
 
man, Lavea just lost me 1044 vcash! lol..

Man my heart was pounding in this clash, I was right in behind Samoa as if I was watching the All Blacks play Aussie in the final or something, and I was cursing Tasesa Lavea the entire match!!..

I don't know what he was thinking giving away those pathetic penalties within kicking range, they should've played Fotuali'i there from the beginning.

I just never liked Lavea, ever since he played Super Rugby, and my dislike increased during this game as now they MUST beat SA.
 

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