whocaresaboutthetruth
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farrells getting nothing from youI think a lot of England fans would bigly beg to differ.
farrells getting nothing from youI think a lot of England fans would bigly beg to differ.
Is that just Farrell who blocks development?..What if smith gets the 10 jersey and doesn't perform in the next 6 nations do we discard him as he could be blocking development…meanwhile let's look forward to Saturdays game and the quarter finals rather than looking who's going to cost us the next World CupNor from me. The thought of him 'doing a Sexton' and hanging around for another World Cup cycle and blocking the development of more talented players makes me very unhappy indeed.
Christ. If someone called me a Poundshop Finn Russell I don't think I'd ever touch a rugby ball again.I don't see the attraction with Smith. Look up 'overhyped' in the rugby dictionary and you see a photo of him. A few moments of brilliance but largely Poundshop Finn Russell
If you are looking for overhyped, Owen 'The Iceman' Farrell is the definitive example. I don't doubt he has leadership skills, but he's been living off a largely undeserved reputation for years. It's not his fault, but having the media blowing smoke up his arse for years has created a myth far beyond his actual ability.I don't see the attraction with Smith. Look up 'overhyped' in the rugby dictionary and you see a photo of him. A few moments of brilliance but largely Poundshop Finn Russell
Whose development would Marcus Smith be blocking though? Finn Smith is promising but not really demanding to be selected. Marcus Smith will most likely continue to play well and will rightly be in the mix to start. In a World Cup cycle you have to think long term. Sticking with Farrell until he's even slower and more conservative is hardly planning for the future.Is that just Farrell who blocks development?..What if smith gets the 10 jersey and doesn't perform in the next 6 nations do we discard him as he could be blocking development…meanwhile let's look forward to Saturdays game and the quarter finals rather than looking who's going to cost us the next World Cup
And what if ford or Farrell are still the top 10's in the premiership as they have been this season for the next four years .Do you just not select them for England because they may hinder Marcus Smith or another up and coming player.If you are looking for overhyped, Owen 'The Iceman' Farrell is the definitive example. I don't doubt he has leadership skills, but he's been living off a largely undeserved reputation for years. It's not his fault, but having the media blowing smoke up his arse for years has created a myth far beyond his actual ability.
Whose development would Marcus Smith be blocking though? Finn Smith is promising but not really demanding to be selected. Marcus Smith will most likely continue to play well and will rightly be in the mix to start. In a World Cup cycle you have to think long term. Sticking with Farrell until he's even slower and more conservative is hardly planning for the future.
Farrell is a system player. Get him to execute a gameplan in a working system and I can perfectly believe he is the guy to do it, arguably better than any others in England. What he does not seem to be is a thinker or particularly adaptable. Being a system player works for a club where they can develop it over years, playing day in day out with the same people. It works less well internationally, especially when the system is falling to pieces. The likes of Russell offer a spark and can grab a game by the scruff of the neck themselves (admittedly he's thrown a few and it took a long time for him to become a net positive), Farrell cannot do that as either 10 or captain internationally.The truth maybe that OF is at times over hyped by some but vastly under rated by others, most people I speak to within rugby circles will concede that MM is great, he clearly has belief in OF and the track record to prove it as do Lions tours and the positivity OF gets around the majority of camps, Sarries defiantly perform worse without him and if he was that much of a journeymen why would MM continue to pay him a pretty sizeable salary when apparently any bang average 10 old or new could do the job. Not am I for a minute saying he has consistantly been great for England but as a whole England have been crap this WC cycle and for what ever reason OF cops a large chunk of the criticism for that. In the end it I think it comes down to how you want to play the game and selecting the right combination of players to achieve that, ultimately only then can it be determined who the best 10 is for the job.
Good strawman 10/10And what if ford or Farrell are still the top 10's in the premiership as they have been this season for the next four years .Do you just not select them for England because they may hinder Marcus Smith or another up and coming player.
And what if ford or Farrell are still the top 10's in the premiership as they have been this season for the next four years .Do you just not select them for England because they may hinder Marcus Smith or another up and coming player.
But Farrell can sure win trophiesFarrell is a system player. Get him to execute a gameplan in a working system and I can perfectly believe he is the guy to do it, arguably better than any others in England. What he does not seem to be is a thinker or particularly adaptable. Being a system player works for a club where they can develop it over years, playing day in day out with the same people. It works less well internationally, especially when the system is falling to pieces. The likes of Russell offer a spark and can grab a game by the scruff of the neck themselves (admittedly he's thrown a few and it took a long time for him to become a net positive), Farrell cannot do that as either 10 or captain internationally.
Ford and Smith have both demonstrated a level of personal ingenuity, vision and and in Ford's case has brought the team back from a bad position more than once when Farrell has been absent. England with Farrell at 10 or as captain do not seem to do this. Once opponents adapt to our game plan, Farrell isn't able to change.
tl;dr he probably makes a lot of noise and can execute orders but also not the brightest spark. Like a noisy but popular sergeant rather than a general.
And with a 10 who can't play and is past it apparently so I'd consider them trophies an even greater achievementA good number of those trophies can also be attributed to financial doping though.
Even today, he's playing for a side that somehow manages to have 2 internationals in virtually every position whilst amazingly staying under the cap.
This is easy, Smith isnt a fullback, hes a defensive liability, and way too often is beaten without playing a finger on the attacking player.Love this. Exactly how I see it.
Just one further; what do you think about Steward or Smith at full back?
He started there 27 times for EnglandMy question on 15 is why Daly wasnt given an extended run
But did he do it consistently? Was he given the confidence of being told hes first choice, and lead into tournaments with that?He started there 27 times for England
Yeah, 21 of those were in a rowBut did he do it consistently? Was he given the confidence of being told hes first choice, and lead into tournaments with that?
And with a 10 who can't play and is past it apparently so I'd consider them trophies an even greater achievement
And was the starting 15 of a team that reach the RWC final.Yeah, 21 of those were in a row