Squads And Player Ratings

[HerpDerpSquadron]

i did already mention that there were a few players that i would have to pair back a little bit, although in all honesty, Hook is least likely to be one of them. i'd only take him down to a 92 minimum.

 

[welshmandan]

1. Gethin Jenkins 86
2. Matthew Rees 77
3. Adam Jones 84
4. Bradley Davies 74
5. Alun Wyn Jones 78
6. Dan Lydiate 74
7. Sam Warburton 81
8. Gareth Delve 72
9. Dwayne Peel 81
10. James Hook 83
11. Shane Williams 91
12. Gavin Henson 80
13. Jamie Roberts 83
14. George North 81
15. Lee Byrne 78

My opinion of what a welsh team should look like, I didnt do the full 30 men roster obviously, but this is where I would stand with these players.

 

[TrueSlawter]

I have to say, if it was up to the welsh to rate the teams, Wales would be unstoppable.
@bencedars - J Hook 94. Hahahaha

Leaving it up to anyone from their country to rate their players is pointless imo.. as you mentioned some Wales players are a bit high but then the English one posted by hobsonm with hartley and youngs at 90 is too high.. Dan cole at 89 is too high (considering Adam jones is a better tight head and should be around 86-88 imo)same with courtney lawes being a 89 he isnt that high imo more 84-85 at most

 

[psychic duck]

Team ratings should be:
New Zealand 93
Australia 87
South Africa 86
Ireland 83
England 82
France 82
Wales 80
Argentina 79
Scotland 77
Fiji 74
Samoa 74
Italy 74
Japan 71
Georgia 70
Canada 70
Tonga 69
USA 67
Romania 66
Russia 62
Namibia 61

Star players should be:
New Zealand (R McCaw, D Carter, SB Williams)
Australia (R Elsom, D Pocock)
South Africa (V Matfield, H Brüssow, F du Preez)
Ireland (B O'Driscoll)
Argentina (JM Fernández Lobbe)
Samoa (S Mapusua)
Italy (S Parisse)

 

[Draggs]

01 Gethin Jenkins 87 (high marks for tacking and performance in the loose)
02 Matthew Rees 84
03 Adam Jones 88 (high marks for scrummaging)
04 Alun Wyn Jones 82
04 Bradley Davies 83
06 Dan Lydiate 82
07 Sam Warburton 86
08 Gareth Delve 84
09 Dwayne Peel 83
10 James Hook 88
11 Shane Williams 91
12 Jamie Roberts 84
13 Jonathan Davies 82
14 Leigh Halfpenny 85
15 Lee Byrne 78

16 Richard Hibbard 78
17 Paul James 81
18 Ryan Jones 84
19 Josh Turnbull 78
20 Richie Rees 84
21 Stephen Jones 86
22 George North 84

R. Huw Bennett 68 (Not that I would include him...)
R. Craig Mitchell 78
R. Luke Charteris 77
R. Martyn Williams 85
R. Mike Phillips 76
R. Rhys Priestland 76
R. Morgan Stoddart 81 (Graded as wing)

 

[thomond2006]

IRELAND

1. Cian Healy 85
2. Jerry Flannery 90
3. Mike Ross 87
4. Paul O'Connell 95 - impact player
5. Donnacha O'Callaghan 85
6. Sean O'Brien 88 - can also play number 8
7. David Wallace 89 - can also play number 8
8. Jamie Heaslip 92 - impact player
9. Eoin Reddan 88
10. Jonny Sexton 89
11. Luke Fitzgerald 85 - can also play CT/FB
12. Gordon D'Arcy 83
13. Brian O'Driscoll 95 - impact player (speed 86, should have almost max handling, skill and passing)
14. Tommy Bowe 96 - impact player, can also play CT/FB
15. Keith Earls 86 - can also play WG/FB

16. Rory Best 84
17. Tom Court 82
18. Leo Cullen 86
19. Stephen Ferris 85
20. Peter Stringer 84 (should have near perfect pass but poor strength, tackle and kicking)
21. Ronan O'Gara 87 (should have near perfect kicking but poor strength, speed and tackling)
22. Rob Kearney 85

IMPACT PLAYERS

New Zealand: McCaw, Carter, SBW, Muliana
Australia: Pocock, Genia, Cooper, Mitchell
SA: Matfield, Brussow, du Preez,

Ireland: O'Connell, Heaslip, BOD, Bowe
England: Ashton, Foden
Wales: Hook, S Williams
Scotland: Gray
France: Harinordoquy, Servat
Italy: Parisse

Argentina: JM Fernandez Lobbe

 

[Draggs]

IRELAND

1. Cian Healy 85
2. Jerry Flannery 90
3. Mike Ross 87
4. Paul O'Connell 95 - impact player
5. Donnacha O'Callaghan 85
6. Sean O'Brien 88 - can also play number 8
7. David Wallace 89 - can also play number 8
8. Jamie Heaslip 92 - impact player
9. Eoin Reddan 88
10. Jonny Sexton 89
11. Luke Fitzgerald 85 - can also play CT/FB
12. Gordon D'Arcy 83
13. Brian O'Driscoll 95 - impact player (speed 86, should have almost max handling, skill and passing)
14. Tommy Bowe 96 - impact player, can also play CT/FB
15. Keith Earls 86 - can also play WG/FB

16. Rory Best 84
17. Tom Court 82
18. Leo Cullen 86
19. Stephen Ferris 85
20. Peter Stringer 84 (should have near perfect pass but poor strength, tackle and kicking)
21. Ronan O'Gara 87 (should have near perfect kicking but poor strength, speed and tackling)
22. Rob Kearney 85

IMPACT PLAYERS

New Zealand: McCaw, Carter, SBW, Muliana
Australia: Pocock, Genia, Cooper, Mitchell
SA: Matfield, Brussow, du Preez,

Ireland: O'Connell, Heaslip, BOD, Bowe
England: Ashton, Foden
Wales: Hook, S Williams
Scotland: Gray
France: Harinordoquy, Servat
Italy: Parisse

Argentina: JM Fernandez Lobbe

... Way overrated.
I tried to rate my Welsh squad like Rugby 08/FIFA (mostly midrange, few high players)

 

[welshmandan]

... Way overrated.
I tried to rate my Welsh squad like Rugby 08/FIFA (mostly midrange, few high players)

Well if your actually thinking of Fifas stats for players, then remember that Real Madrids average score for players is 81-86, with Ronaldo up at (92 I believe?)

If you factor that in, then 90% of the welsh team is going to be ranked in the late-70s + mid- 80s

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

If you ask me... (Which nobody did) Derived from Thomond2006's list, in case you couldn't tell.

IMPACT PLAYERS

New Zealand: McCaw, Carter, Nonu, Williams, Reed
Australia: Pocock, Genia, Cooper, Beale
SA: Matfield, Morné Steyn, du Preez

Ireland: O'Connell, O'Driscoll, Bowe
England: Croft, Flood, Youngs
Wales: Hook, Shane Williams, Adam Jones
Scotland: Gray
France: Harinordoquy, Trinh-Duc, Medard
Italy: Parisse

Argentina: JM Fernandez Lobbe, Henandez (If he's fit)
Samoa: Mapasua

Some players, such as Adam Jones, have been added for one outstanding atribute, in this case, his scrummaging. He has a huge impact on the game, but not every time he touches the ball.

 

[Draggs]

Will there be impact players?
I kind of hope not, it takes away from the game TBH.

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

I want the RWC game to be an arcadey experience, to be a fun, flowing game. Not only is it what I prefer, having two deadly-serious Rugby games would be somewhat of an overkill, having one of each style would be nice. As such, I hope we see Impact Players, although the star above their head can go.

 

[mammojo]

Thank goodness no one on this site are rating the players...I know everyone wants their country to look good and all but these ratings are way too high!

 

[AfakasiAssasin]

Thank goodness no one on this site are rating the players...I know everyone wants their country to look good and all but these ratings are way too high!

I thought my assesment of Samoa was pretty fair and not too high but eh....What would your country ratings be?

 

[staph.glorious]

(Why am I doing this?)

1. Cian Healy (83)
2. Rory Best (81)
3. Mike Ross (82)
4. Donncha O'Callaghan (80)
5. Paul O'Connell (88)
6. Sean O'Brien (88)
7. David Wallace (87)
8. Jamie Heaslip (88)
9. Eoin Reddan (77)
10. Jonathan Sexton (86)
11. Andrew Trimble (83)
12. Gordon D'Arcy (81)
13. Brian O'Driscoll (86)
14. Tommy Bowe (87)
15. Rob Kearney (81)

16. Jerry Flannery (78)
17. Tom Court (76)
18. Leo Cullen (80)
19. Stephen Ferris (87)
20. Tomas O'Leary (75)
21. Ronan O'Gara (84)
22. Keith Earls (83)

23. Sean Cronin (76)
24. Tony Buckley (74)
25. Donnacha Ryan (78)
26. Shane Jennings (76)
27. Peter Stringer (78)
28. Paddy Wallace (78)
29. Luke Fitzgerald (77)
30. Felix Jones (79)

More arbitrary really rather than based on any formulae (e.g., a winger with good speed but relatively poor handling still ranks highly in '08)

What I hope this conveys is good strength in depth in the back-row, a decent first choice front-five, some decidedly average scrumhalves, and a back-line that can *click*. It's also my punt at the World Cup squad, though I can still feasibly see Hayes(75), Leamy(77), Murray(79), McFadden(80) and G Murphy(80) making the cut.

Points:

• RWC 2011 consists of international sides, so players will be rated as internationals. As much as I rate a Sean O'Brien, he has yet to establish himself as a truly dominant force at Test-level. He ain't a 90-nothin'!
• I'd have it in my mind that a 75+ rating constitutes Test-level status; no apologies to Mr. Buckley.
• The Northern Hemisphere, with fewer exceptions than most will admit, does not boast an outstanding hooker. This is to say I rate Rory Best highly in the Six Nations.
• If 'Team Chemistry' were an option, I would have O'Callaghan-O'Connell, the Irish back-row (excluding Jennings) and D'Arcy-O'Driscoll light up. Perhaps Stringer-O'Gara, for nostalgic purposes.
• I would prefer that attributes determine a player's utility instead of the 'Impact Player' insignia.
• Given all that, I'm still waiving doubt with some of my ratings; Kearney (injury and prior-form), Flannery (injury), Ryan (Test inexperience) and Jones (uncapped).

As to previous squads, whichever Welshmen not rating Bradley Davies as amongst their top players need a re-introduction to the game. He's a future Lion on his form over the last two seasons.

Anyway, it all amounts to codswallop without a full breakdown of attributes.

 

[HerpDerpSquadron]

"As to previous squads, whichever Welshmen not rating Bradley Davies as amongst their top players need a re-introduction to the game. He's a future Lion on his form over the last two seasons."

absolutely agree to be honest with you. He carries the ball well, is efficient in set piece play and is worth his weight.

 

[Edworthy10]

Personal England Ratings:

Andrew Sheridan 84
Dylan Hartley 83
Dan Cole 79
Courtney Lawes 85
Tom Palmer 80
Tom Croft 86
Lewis Moody 81
Nick Easter 80
Ben Youngs 85
Toby Flood 82
Mark Cueto 79
Shontayne Hape 78
Mike Tindall 80
Chris Ashton 83
Ben Foden 84

Steve Thompson 79
Matt Stevens 79
Louis Deacon 78
James Haskell 80
Danny Care 79
Jonny Wilkinson 86
Matt Banahan 83

 

[mammojo]

1. Benn Robinson - 77
2. Tatafu Polota Nau - 84
3. James Slipper - 81
4. James Horwill - 83
5. Nathan Sharpe - 82
6. Rocky Elsom - 84
7. David Pocock - 88
8. Wycliff Palu - 81
9. Will Genia - 89
10. Quade Cooper - 90
11. Drew Mitchell - 85
12. James O'Connor - 85
13. Adam Ashley Cooper - 81
14. Digby Ione - 84
15. Kurtley Beale - 91

Im mainly talking about those who hand out mid 90's to players who dont deserve it. I think my team is fair

 

[Hermezzz]

Based on 'my' Pumas line-up:

15. Lucas González Amorosino: 83 (incredible runner and great finisher, not so good when defending, can also play winger)
14. Gonzalo Camacho: 80 (really strong for a winger, little bit like Sackey, can also play outside centre)
13. Marcelo Bosch: 83 (good line breaks, good tackles and always very aware, can also play fly-half and fullback)
12. Santiago Fernández: 77 (maybe a bit boring with the ball in hand, but reliable centre, strong tackler, can also play fly-half)
11. Martín Bustos Moyano: 79 (best kicker around at the moment, not slow at all)
10. Juan Martín Hernández: 87 (last time I saw him play: RWC 2007, can also play fullback and inside centre)
9. Alfredo Lalanne: 80 (tough choice, but he's my favourite scrummie)

8. Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe: 88 (not as fast as I'd like, but still awesome eightman)
7. Julio Farías Cabello: 81 (slow and tall enough to play lock, really good tackler)
6. Genaro Fessia: 80 (great at turnovers and very strong for a flanker)
5. Patricio Albacete: 87 (tall, heavy and strong, what else do you need for a world class lock?)
4. Mariano Galarza: 83 (ditto, only five years younger and two inches taller)
3. Juan Figallo: 79 (a bit small for tighthead, but still, excellent prop)
2. Agustín Creevy: 87 (best ball carrier this country ever had, former eightman and very fast on the loose)
1. Marcos Ayerza: 84 (Leicester fans, help me with this one, great scrummager and hard to stop when carrying the ball, anything else?)

16. Eusebio Guiñazú: 77 (he's fat, slow and can play tighthead, loosehead and hooker... nice)
17. Rodrigo Roncero: 83 (always getting into fights, conceding penalties or arguing with the ref, but always a nightmare at the scrum and tackling hard)
18. Manuel Carizza: 77 (not a bad lock, but way too slow and never shows up too much)
19. Juan Manuel Leguizamón: 84 (very fast for a flanker, great tackling and has an eye for scoring, but also commits plenty of penalties, so he wouldn't be my first choice to complete the back row)
20. Agustín Figuerola: 79 (likes to get involved in the attack, but not a complete scrum-half like Lalanne)
21. Nicolás Sánchez: 83 (great playmaker and line breaker, can also play inside centre, only one cap)
22. Horacio Agulla: 82 (fast and strong runner, can also play fullback but I think he lacks some field vision)
[23. Martín Scelzo: 80 (big and strong tighthead, but grows tired quickly]

I reckon this would be a really good Pumas team (we could fight the 3rd spot again, I guess), but since we have the worst coach in Argentinean rugby history (Santiago Phelan, the Antichrist), I guess overall team rating would be 75-80 (in our best days). Sorry for making it such a long post, it was supposed to be only numbers, right?

And this would be my top ten:

1. NZ: 94
2. AUS: 91
3. RSA: 90
4. FRA - 88 (even if they're the most inconsistent team on the planet)
5. ENG - 86
6. IRE - 85
7. WAL - 83
8. ARG - 82 (I can't moan enough about our coach, if we had a decent one we would easily be an 85, maybe more)
9. SCO - 81
10. ITA - 78

 

[welshmandan]

And this would be my top ten:

1. NZ: 94
2. AUS: 91
3. RSA: 89
4. ENG - 84
5. ARG - 84
6. FRA - 83
7. IRE - 83
8. WAL - 82
9. SCO - 79
10. ITA - 76/QUOTE]

Little changes I would make, and imo, Argentina are a strong contender in this years RWC, and I reckon they will be in the Semi-Finals. Hell, better than most of the Euro teams. Quite like a good version of Italy.

 

[scar123]

Wales
15. Leigh Halfpenny 83
14. George North 82
13. Jonathan Davies 79
12. Jamie Roberts 88*
11. Shane Williams 88
10. James Hook 86
9. Tavis Knoyle 77
1. Gethin Jenkins 84
2. Matthew Rees 83
3. Adam Jones 84
4. Bradley Davies 82
5. Alun Wyn Jones 85
6. Dan Lydiate 81
7. Sam Warbuton 83
8. Ryan Jones 82
Subs:
16. Lloyd Burns 78
17. Paul James 80
18. Craig Mitchell 79
19. Luke Charteris 76
20. Toby Faletau 79
21. Michael Phillips 76
22. Stephen Jones 79
23. Morgan Stoddart 78
Reserves:
24. Ken Owens 75
25. John Yapp 74 (can play 1 + 3)
26. Gareth Delve 77
27. Andy Powell 78
28. Dwayne Peel 76
29. Rhys Priestland 76
30. Aled Brew 78

My own ratings but this is how I think WG will choose his squad

Key:
*=impact player